Liberal Bullshit


Posted by Angie , Aug 15,2001,12:32   MetroBlab

I was just made aware of the recent money drive to pay for the legal defense of that lady in Texas who killed her 5 children. This was posted on NBC's today Show...where you could send the monetary donation to be used in her legal defense.... I am personally sick and tired of people not accepting responsibility for their actions! Boo fucken Hoo...she is mentally ill...she has Post partem depression...Okay! So the next time I have PMS and get depressed I can use that as an excuse to kill people?! She may have Post Partem Depression...yet another way to shift the responsibility for one's own actions...but does that give any excuse to the fact that she knew something was wrong with her long before she drowned her own 5 children?! Does that give an excuse as to why she didn't seek help and/or intervention before resulting to killing her children?....How can this happen? How can people keep blaming their actions on other things andpeople other than themselves?! I wish they'd let me be alone with her for a few minutes...I'd show her what her children went thru the last few moments of their lives and afterwards I'll just swear to having I'm tiredof the bullshit syndrome.

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Liberal Bullshit -- Angie
Posted by Myra ® , Aug 15,2001,15:30   MetroBlab

How can this happen? How can people keep blaming their actions on other things andpeople other than themselves?!

I ask myself that very question on a regular basis and have yet to find the answer. Two possible solutions: read to your children every night and spank them when they act like shitheads.

It's just as bad as those parents of the Columbine boys who said they had no idea why their children killed all those people. The answer's in the question. They had no idea -- that right there is the problem. People have no sense of discipline or consequence anymore, and consequently (see, there's that word again) neither do their children. They seem to be under the illusion that things just happen to them and if those things are bad someone else caused them, if those things are good then they must have deserved it. It's a combination of a sense of entitlement and a lack of understanding of the concept of accountability. I believe that there are mental disorders that do in fact cause people to behave in ways that are not only unconventional, but often illegal or immoral. I also believe that lazy attorneys abuse that excuse and have their way with it an alarmingly high percentage of the time. The system's not right yet. It may never be absolutely "right" in my lifetime, and that's ok, but the media and the attorneys at large need to spend a little less time glorifying such a short-coming and a lot more time searching for ways to make the system do what our forefathers set it up to do -- which was to allow freedom for all, and for all to accept responsibility for their actions and the effects of said actions on others. They need to learn from the mistakes of others instead standing there like a bunch of uneducated shitheads laughing and telling us all to look, point, blame, and repeat.


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Liberal Bullshit -- Angie
Posted by sir-talks-to-bob-a-lot ® , Aug 15,2001,15:23   MetroBlab

angie; i tottaly respect your opinion on this matter. but my opinion is that any mother that would kill her five children like she did is indeed "touched",to put it lightly. my mother has been diagnosed,and had treatment for a severe mental illness. the only thing that keeps her going is a whopper size of pills that she keeps behing her bathroom mirror;double stacked. for all its` worts; the united states judicial system has acknowleged an "insanity" defense. and if there ever were a case of insanity,i think this would fit. should this woman ever be allowed to rejoin society? maybe not. but i guess that all im trying to say is that any person that would kill thier five kids "aint right". i think all prayers,thoughts,and e-mails should go out to her poor husband. he still defends her;even in the wake of his tragic loss.

Compassionate Conservatism

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Liberal Bullshit -- Angie
Posted by Gene Harrogate ® , Aug 15,2001,13:17   MetroBlab

Boo fucken Hoo...she is mentally ill...

Jeez. That's pretty cold there, Angie. I take it you've never been around someone who's totally lost their shit.

~Gene Harrogate


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Compassionate Conservatism -- Gene Harrogate
Posted by Angie , Aug 15,2001,13:34   MetroBlab

ACtually, yes I have. I have "Totally lost my shit," at one time or another, I'll admit it. I don't have any kids so I cannot honestly be empathetic as far as that goes but I have experienced other situations and life lessons where killing and/or harming another human being might well have been justified by a jury of my peers but you know what?! I am a RESPONSIBLE adult...that means I take responsibility for my own actions...crazy and/or sane. When are we going to say enough is enough? Is losing someone's shit an excuse for them to kill their children? Mental illness and past life experiences/injustices and drug/alcohol abuse have been long worn out excuses to bring harm upon other people and quite frankly I'm sick of it. I think it's high time we started holding people responsible for themselves and make them have to be accountable for their actions, quit placing blame elsewhere and put it where it belongs...maybe there'd be less violent crime if people had to actually be accountable for what they do. How Novel! Making everybody tale responsibility for themselves! Why didn't we think of this before!?

Compassionate Conservatism...to a point

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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- Angie
Posted by ugly suckling , Aug 15,2001,14:54   MetroBlab

ACtually, yes I have. I have "Totally lost my shit,"

So I take it this gives you expertise on the depth and breadth of things that can go wrong with an organ that, let's face it, we don't really understand the workings of. I've had heavy enough depression to very strongly consider snuffing it (in situations that weren't that bad, in retrospect, but tell that to my chemistry), but I don't necessarily think that makes me an expert on the postpartum variety. Seems that by the same token having had a skinned knee and a broken ankle means I'm supposed to fully understand the mindset of someone who's been shot in the gut and left to die.


Mental illness and past life experiences/injustices and drug/alcohol abuse have been long worn out excuses

Damn right! Additionally, hurricanes and high seas are often given as excuses for sending ships to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker, and I, for one, am sick of hearing this worn-out excuse for playing submarine.


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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- Angie
Posted by Gene Harrogate ® , Aug 15,2001,14:15   MetroBlab

I have experienced other situations and life lessons where killing and/or harming another human being might well have been justified by a jury of my peers

Whoa now. Who said anything about justification? I don't think that anyone can "justify" what happened to her children.

Is losing someone's shit an excuse for them to kill their children?

It's not an excuse, but it does seem that there's very strong evidence that it may have been the reason. And remember, murder is a very specific charge, one that hinges on the state of mind of the killer. Our justice system recognizes that people die at the hands of others for a variety of reasons, and that these reasons must be taken into account when we determine punishment. First Degree, Second Degree, and Third Degree murders are regarded differently. Same goes for manslaughter.

I, for one, think that we have to consider more facts than whether someone broke a law or not when determining how to deal with them as a society. Black and white is not a realistic way of looking at life.

quit placing blame elsewhere and put it where it belongs...

Please tell me how placing blame "where it belongs" will address the death of these children. And whom does it compensate? Compassion is not tacit approval, but rather recognition that humans have inherant frailties and failures for which they cannot be expected to bear all responsibility.

~Gene Harrogate


Compassionate Conservatism...to a point

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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- Gene Harrogate
Posted by sir-talks-to-bob-a-lot ® , Aug 15,2001,17:15   MetroBlab

Black and white is not a realistic way of looking at life.


gene, truer words have never been spoken.


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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- Gene Harrogate
Posted by tattoojay , Aug 15,2001,14:24   MetroBlab

First Degree, Second Degree, and Third Degree murders are regarded differently. Same goes for manslaughter.


ok this may seem a bit stupid to some, but i need it broken down
what is the difference between these?


Compassionate Conservatism...to a point

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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- tattoojay
Posted by Gene Harrogate ® , Aug 15,2001,14:56   MetroBlab

I'd have to defer to someone else for specifics. But in general, 1st degree murder is premeditated second degree is not. Of course, premeditation denotes a subjective period of time between thought and act. Manslaughter is usually divided as voluntary and involuntary with voluntary having an intent to kill and involuntary being accidental.

Again, that's a very rough generalization, and submit that I am not an authority on such things. But all killings are not regarded equally.

~Gene Harrogate


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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- Angie
Posted by J. Lieber ® , Aug 15,2001,13:54   MetroBlab

Angie,

Texas has filed notice of intent to seek the death penalty. She ain't exactly getting away with it. What do you want them to do? Torture her on live TV? I'm sure there are plenty of "responsible" adults who would watch and cheer.

Cheers,

Julie


Compassionate Conservatism...to a point

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Compassionate Conservatism...to a point -- J. Lieber
Posted by plum ® , Aug 15,2001,14:08   MetroBlab

not only would people watch but many would pay to see it. check your pay-for-view listings. reality TV at it's finest.

Liberal Bullshit

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Liberal Bullshit -- Angie
Posted by X. Fontaine ® , Aug 15,2001,13:14   MetroBlab

Wow! Now I don't know who I love more... Myra or Angie? Can we just have a three way? That would solve it!

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Liberal Bullshit -- X. Fontaine
Posted by Myra ® , Aug 15,2001,15:10   MetroBlab

Nope, sorry. No three-ways. I don't believe in sharing that way. Sorry.

:)~


Liberal Bullshit

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Liberal Bullshit -- Angie
Posted by Scaramanga ® , Aug 15,2001,12:34   MetroBlab

Wow. Go get 'em Angie! I'll be there in four hours. Don't kill anyone 'til I get there!