I know about girls who walk unseen by most, in the night time mist, near quiet lakes in the darkness...

I know about the rape stats, the molestation stats, the stories that girls keep hidden for years, the 'Janie Got a Gun' stories, and I'm tired of people making excuses for criminals. And I know I have but one lifetime to give for a utopian idea whose time has come.

I know what can happen to victims...

So when an attorney general sees the paperwork from an appeal, does he say that his office will

fight to show the world she had a right to live? Will he get justice for her in a world that failed to protect her...

Another letter written to yet another MALE attorney general, this time in New Jersey. Tell me John Farmer, how many stays of execution does the jackal get? And by the way John, if we had some heel clicking, blue dress wearing hellfire and brimstone GOP femme judges, would they issue stay after stay for this wretch who has hurt so many?

I'm willing to bet they wouldn't. Let's HIRE some.

And just out of curiousity, are we somehow surprised that there's Prozac tucked in the same area of a modern girl's purse as the birth control pills...?

This girl at the pool? I'd like to ask her out, and maybe she'd even say yes...

but today I just don't want it bad enough to try...

and anyway, there's

"nobody on the road,
nobody on the beach
I feel it in the air
the summer's out of reach
empty lake, empty streets
the sun goes down alone
I'm driving by your house
though I know you're not home..."--Don Henley/The Boys of Summer

I used to live in the Fort. One night, I got woken up by loud music at 4 a.m. I went and politely asked our neighbors (who lived in the front of the same house) to turn it down a little. One of the guys who lived there said "OK". His roommate later came and knocked on my door. He wanted me to come out and "have a talk" about their music being too loud. After I closed the door, he proceeded to throw things at our door and windows, and yell things like "That's right, bitch!" and "Come on, pussy" for about an hour, until the cops came.

In other words, he was a little Fred Durst wannabe idiot. Why do things like that happen? Is it just alcohol? I don't think so. I wasn't even demanding that they turn down - I was asking. I was requesting respect. I would much rather they have kept the loud music and left me the fuck alone, you know? I'm 26 years old now. I really don't see any point in any kind of pissing contest with a 19 year old with a small dick.

but today I just don't want it bad enough to try...

Oh, yes you do.

One can only cringe at what JJJ imagines here. I think we can all be thankful that this one was "slender." Otherwise, I'm afraid we would have been subjected to his fantasies about alternative uses for mace cans of a greater girth.

after all....I AM...the jester.

JJJ, you sound like a decent enough guy. You just have some strange obsessions. If I were a female, I might be kinda creeped out by your intense awareness of female vulnerability, your insistence on "protecting" the fairer sex, and not least your adaptation of feminist language in the service of anti-feminist causes. I agree that it sucks that women have to be more careful about walking alone than men do. It sucks, and it has always sucked, and it will probably continue to suck for quite some time. I don't know what the solutions are, exactly, but I seriously doubt your eye-for-an-eye idea of brutal justice is the path to a more enlightened society.

and you're right-- I really AM a decent guy, but you're wrong that I have some 'obsessions'.... I'm not creepy at all, and most women who know me wouldn't say that I've ever been.

You're just interpreting what I write in a different way than I intended it...and it's not that I 'insist on protecting the fairer gender'...

It's this: I'm dissappointed that we as a society have done such a LOUSY job of protecting their right to live and walk in safety. Rape aggregate INCREASED from 1998 to 1999, and so did aggravated assault stats, even as violent crime decreased in America. So rape, date rape and sexual assault is getting WORSE, not better.

So it hasn't 'always sucked' as you say; indeed, when Rosy the Riveter was walking around rape was VERY RARE and abduction rape murder was almost unheard of.

My idea of justice is also very much a modern, strong approach, and nothing about it is 'brutal'....

there's nothing painful about execution at all, and it is not brutal either. We ARE an enlightened society, and will remain so even if we extract the ultimate justice for ultimate crimes.

The average rapist only stays locked up for 2.2 years in America, and many never even go to jail at all.

Wanting a safer world for girls to grow up in is a worthy goal.

doesn't look that way to me. I mean come on.....

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

Noticing a pattern yet?

And my personal favorite

Let the jury decide.

See JJJ? You're doing it to yourself now. You've proven it.

While you're at it, might as well open up the whole can...
This one's golden. Shows that deep seated respect for women JJJ's famous for.

And Scary Girl's gonna be hurt when she finds your "fuckyouscarygirl.gif".

Ya figure somebody who got their chops with DOS "2 point O" would know better than to allow a directory listing.

There's nothing unusual about them, and nothing 'revealing' about them; anyone here can go thru them, and I'd care less if anyone I WORK with saw them.

In fact, one guy that I work with is ON this very board; if I was afraid that anyone could or would find something that I was embarrassed about then I'd never have that directory uploaded to being with, and

I KNOW that a person can get a directory listing.

A photo of some girls walking into water in swimsuits, which was taken from the Survivors TV web site before it went defunct, is NOTHING to be ashamed of, and Gene it doesn't negate my points in ANY post that I've written here.

Holmes, I was looking at the mistake made in the RJM worm when most people who post here were learning how to read.

I was reading Pengo's adventures before the internet was really mainstream.

There's NOTHING I am afraid of in that directory-- feel free to go all the way thru it, and the virtualgirl jpeg is from a PROGRAM called virtuagirl, which darn near every stockbroker in America has on his computer. Type in virtuagirl at google.com and go find it; it's FREE.

For girls who want a 'virtuaguy' program, they have that as well, and the whole thing's pretty much just G rated.

By the way, Gene-- I have no idea who gamma 10 is....

I know you find it hard to believe that everyone that is against you is not him, but just like all your other beliefs.. it's simply not true.

and speaking of other things that you find hard to swallow (insert your imaginaion here), no one fucking likes you.

but hey, what am I saying? no one likes us then, right? I mean really we are the same person anyway.

who else but that government conspiracy, black helicopter flying, woman abductor Gene Harrogate would know so much about you?

to recap: you are a fucking dumbass, dumbass.

It was all pretty innocent and the jerks on this board have twisted it completely up, including you.

Just as I told you, I've never been concerned that anyone would or could get a D-I-R listing over there, and it's just a parking lot on the web which I pull images from for message boards. I'm not afraid for ANYONE who knows me to see ANYTHING that is there, including anyone that i work with...feel free to peruse it.

Women abuse too. But I belive women abuse because of a cycle of abuse in their family, be it a man who abused her as a child, or a father who demanded quiet and so the mother would abuse her to keep the home quiet so then the father wouldn't hit the mother. You get my point.

I don;t think that women will seek help unless they see actual men in their lives take a stand against abusers. When women help women out of abusive situation that is good, but women have many trust and fears still towards men. If men would come out of hiding on these issues and join the victims to repair their emotions and lives, much could be accomplished.

I think the media just ups your paranoia level so you'll buy more crap to 'protect' yourself. My favorite example of this recently was a television news report saying 'ladies, carry a cell phone-it discourages attackers'. I then ran across a print article that said 'carrying a cell phone makes WOMEN easy targets for attackers'.

The real root of the problem is always ignored. The attackers are individuals ignored by society. Individuals who have not had any intervention/mental health care.

example: A pal of mine lives back in the wilds of Bean Station. There was this guy who lived down the road from him that everybody 'thought was crazy'. He always acted really crazy & even ran outside naked/screaming obscenities to great a schoolbus one morning. (yeah he was an adult & yeah I know Scaramanga is thinking "but..but..I do that everyday.") He had been in trouble with law enforcement repeatedly.
No one did anything until after he had beaten the hell out of his grandmother, decapitated his best friend, murdered his girlfriend (people just wondered where she was for a year-he had tossed the dead ones down a well.)

I truly believe the underlying problem is somehow, at some time, for some reason an attacker made the conscious decision that his/her victim is less of a human being than him/her. The attacker decided and chose to disrespect his/her victim for some reason and the attacker probably doesn't respect many human beings and/or human life at all. The attacker made the decision that he/she is in power and wants that power over his/her victim.

Like what?

"We live in a world that chooses to belittle and abuse women when applicable."

How does it so "choose?" And when is it "applicable?" These are overly broad statements that you don't bother to support with examples of your meaning.

"I get the nagging thought though when I am around any man though that eventually he will want more than friendship, or just wants to fuck. I'm really thrown off when this isn't the case. Which isn't often."

Oddly enough, I find almost every man I talk to fairly interested in regular conversation, with no apparent sexual motives. I consider myself fairly perceptive, and the men I talk to generally never seem to expect or want more than a stimulating conversation or lively debate, or in some cases a good joke. Either all my male acquaintances comprise the enlightened minority of the sex, or they're adept at concealing their prurient, lascivious agenda to fuck me.

"The system does not allow for serious protection in most cases from abusive men."

What sort of "serious protection" would suffice? How can the "system" improve the lot of all us tortured, oppressed, helpless women?

"I don;t think that women will seek help unless they see actual men in their lives take a stand against abusers. If men would come out of hiding on these issues and join the victims to repair their emotions and lives, much could be accomplished."

Women who wait for men "in their lives" to take a stand don't have my sympathy. Women who wait, cower, and whimper about the evils of men are even further beneath contempt than the obsessive reactionary who began this thread (although I do credit him for provoking me weekly to post here). I admit that I have some fairly judgmental ideas about men and their attitudes toward women; however, I believe that the reason women in this country enjoy the liberties we now have relates to the early efforts of suffragists and birth control advocates who denied their status as "victims" rather than wallowing in self-pity. They got out, took some risks, and made some changes in the face of enormous opposition. They didn't demand that men take a stand for them, they stood up to men and took control of their own destinies. These are the women I admire; the grovelers and self-identified victims can lick my boots.

And I thought you were an OK sort of girl all this time. It seems to me though, that you rarely ever agree in any shape or form in any post-- do you only respond when there's a 'reactionary' in your midst?

If you agree there's a problem, then what solution do you offer?

Many victims of violent crime are not 'grovelers' or 'self identified'...that was a very unprepared statement on your part, and an unenlightened one.

Many rape victims and domestic violence victims are not grovelers at all.

Just because you wear some boots won't help you in an all out scrap with a psychotic rapist either, Julie; indeed, a can of mace will probably only make you face a meaner rapist.

Just because one is for victims rights and is also PRO LIFE doesn't make him a reactionary, Julie-- I consider both movements cutting edge and very progressive.

Now, I'm going to put on my burqua and be a good girl, keep my mouth shut, my opinions to myself, and my head bowed. For about fifteen minutes.

it must be the PRO LIFE stance.

Which, not ironically at all, is actually a progressive stance.

Julie, the media may paint PRO LIFE people with the 'nutbag' brush, or try to make them all fit into a 'borne again' mold...but if you really knoew many people in that movement, you'd see plenty of modern minded people.

I'm not going to get into an abortion debate on the Blab. I've tried it before. It is a foolish waste of time, because the two sides basically represent two diametrically opposed philosophies about when life begins and/or at what point the life of the unborn supersedes the woman's right to control her own body. Believe it or not, I have my own private opinion about when a woman should not have the right to abort. I believe there is a point--late in pregnancy--when the State's interest in protecting a fetus overrides the mother's interest in privacy. However, I ain't going any further than that, b/c I would rather step in shit than open up another abortion debate.

I do, however, know several anti-abortion advocates. Most of them are members of my extended Roman Catholic family. We get along fine together, as long as nobody brings up religion or politics. (Actually, we secretly like to bring up religion and politics, b/c one thing we all do share is a love of loud, finger-pointing argument.)

Well baby, take off those combat boots and wear some makeup and see what happens then...

MS

There are places on earth where women receive the staunch protection of men, where they are cloistered away from open society, and where they grow up behind veils so that no man even go so far as to be tempted by their contenance. They are forbidden to sit in the same room as their male counterparts. And they are not allowed to express themselves in public. These women are "protected." They rarely, if ever, suffer assault by strangers. That's the other side of this shiny coin that JJJ's picked up.

Men and women are very different on many levels. Our bodies are different, our chemical wiring, even our options in life. There's that little thing about how women can get pregnent, for example. You can't regard equality as sameness. And in general, women aren't on physical par with men such that they can defend themselves against assault.

But in a society that promotes equality of the sexes (not sameness, mind you), women are freely permitted to choose their lifestyle. They are not held under restriction for their own protection. And they are free to enable themselves in any way they see fit whether it be education, politics, or, as in this case, on the slanted field of human combat by way of legal self-defense accessories.

Personally, I doubt if the woman with mace that JJJ was likely creeping out would consider the sex of an attacker before deploying it. Rather she would be defending herself against harm no matter what sex it took. She recognizes that in this society, one that affords women more opportunities than any other, she must assume certain risks. And she recognizes that she can exercise control over the level of risk she assumes by mitigating circumstances with technology, avoiding scenarios that are intuitively risky, and by taking responsibility for her own safety.

She could simply bemoan the state of the world ("...that it has always been this way for women and always will be) and refrain from going to a pool where wackos swill Heineken and giddily peer from behind sunglasses to assess her exposure. But she has selected to view the world as it is, and behave accordingly. Contrary to JJJ's musings about how the mace reminds her of her vulnerability, I expect it gives her a sense of empowerment.

And even though JJJ whines and drones about the way things are, I'm not sure what he thinks should be done. I don't assault women and don't advocate it, nor do I know any one who does.

But I do advocate women by the pool. And I salute those who have chosen to rely on their own initiative. They don't see themselves, as JJJ does, as victims-in-waiting.

Anyone who knows me will, I believe, tell you that I love women. I prefer that over pity.

~Gene Harrogate

PS: One more thing, KnoXXX:
What is it that makes a man feel like he has to rape? What is it that makes a man feel the need to carress her face with his fist when she disagrees with his words?

And the 'assumption of risk' tactic fails to take into account that the LEVEL of risk is not exponentially higher than it was a long time ago.

Ask an elderly person how many girls were abducted and killed when he was a teenager;-- damn few if ANY in many parts of America. In 1920, a girl walking the streets of Nashville wasn't worried about getting abducted, Gene.

I also did NOT say that it reminds her of vulnerability-- go back and read the post.

I see you're back with your typical sex laced insults about the slender mace can, and the 'wacko' labels....

that's because you don't have what it takes to step your narrow ass up to the plate and debate a person who KNOWS this subject;

instead, all you can do is lob insults from a peanut gallery while expecting cheers from the madding crowd.

There's nothing about me that is wacko, Gene. I'm a perfectly normal, heterosexual guy. Perhaps when the dangerous drummer some of you are familiar with can get a weekend off, you'll see the Jester himself in one of knox' finest bars, knocking down a Heineken.

Have LT1 V-8; will travel.

Maybe then you can tell me your analysis face to face, pard.

Hey, maybe men abuse because of a cycle of abuse, too. Or are they just inherently evil, while women are inherently good?

Goes together like cookies and milk...

Goes together like cookies and milk...

*milk snorts out my nose*

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