Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!


Posted by innocent bystander , Jul 22,2001,14:49   MetroBlab

Yesss, we have ze special requirements for you to have beers.

You must have ze papers, and you must stand in zees line for as long as we say to obtain the special permissions permits and be affixed with ze special markings for to obtain ze beer tokenments.

Then you must step sideways over here in this manner to this designated area to exchange your currencies for ze tokens of beerness, but only if you are affixed with special markings indicating your permissions.

Then, you must step over here to this other line and you will stand for as long as we say again while a member of ze brotherhood procures a beers in approved containments for you after presenting your special marking affixments and ze beerness tokens.

What is this? You don't have ze papers? NO BEER FOR YOU!

You are not affixed with ze special markings? NO BEER FOR YOU!

You say, you have not ze beerness tokenments? NO BEER FOR YOU!

You want more than two beers for your parties? NO BEER FOR YOU!

You complain about our lines? NO BEER FOR YOU!

You do not like our procedures? NO BEER FOR YOU!

Now, you will kindly step OUT of ze line and proceed back to your entertainment pleasures area.




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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- innocent bystander
Posted by Myra ® , Jul 23,2001,16:08   MetroBlab

That's funny as hell! I don't enjoy beer much myself, but that's funny just the same. . .

Made me laugh, thanks, I needed that.

:)~


Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- innocent bystander
Posted by jessefox , Jul 23,2001,08:18   MetroBlab

Relax. Give it a rest. Knoxville's made a lot of progress in this area. Sure, they're still kinda touchy about it, but you have to keep in mind there's huge liability risks for anyone putting on these events. If some underage kid gets a few beers and then runs into a telephone pole on the way home, who do you think his parents are going to come after? The promoter and the organizers of the event, that's who. Plus all the people who actually served the beer. It's true that we do not yet live in paradise, where the beer flows like water in the public fountain, or even in Europe, where there's much more tacit understanding that your alcohol consumption is your own damn responsibility. But compared to even a couple of years ago, Knoxville in general seems increasingly comfortable with the idea of public drinking. Don't knock it too hard. And having worked the beer table at some big events, I'm sympathetic to the poor schmos doing the serving. They're doing the best they can, and all they really want is to get you your beer as fast as possible. But yes, you are going to have to wait in line. There are worse injustices in this world.

jfm


Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- jessefox
Posted by the idiotess , Jul 23,2001,20:25   MetroBlab

>If some underage kid gets a few beers and then runs into a telephone pole on the way home, who do you think his parents are going to come after?

I was once an underage drinker. I never once hit a telephone pole at full gallop. Drunk people don't run well.


Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- the idiotess
Posted by jessefox , Jul 23,2001,21:49   MetroBlab

Amen. And all the more reason to have a more walkable society. I went to school at Penn State, where everything was walking distance from everything else. There were tens of thousands of drunk kids every single weekend (hell, every single night), and almost never a drunk driving death. Then I lived in the second-biggest city in England, where they still believed in good public transportation, and you could stay out drinking as late as you wanted, grab a bus (or a cab -- they were pretty cheap) and be home sozzled but completely safe. Our real problem in this country isn't drinking. It's driving.

jfm


Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!!

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- jessefox
Posted by Jim Beam , Jul 23,2001,23:40   MetroBlab

Sounds like an idea for a column, Jesse.

Penn State

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- Jim Beam
Posted by Ol Wag , Jul 24,2001,11:53   MetroBlab

Didn't someone say Penn State was the world's largest 24-hour bar with a $38,000 cover?

Penn State

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Penn State -- Ol Wag
Posted by jessefox , Jul 24,2001,13:50   MetroBlab

I think that was back in the glory days. By the time I got there, they had battened down a lot of hatches. It was still a fun place, though. And beautiful, too.

jfm


ok, then..

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Oh Noooo! It's the Downton Knoxville Event Beer Nazis!!!!!!! -- jessefox
Posted by innocent bystander , Jul 23,2001,11:54   MetroBlab

Hey, it was just a joke. But apparently it has struck a nerve, so I would like to respond. First, it was a joke. I thought it was pretty funny, but then I�m biased. Second, having just moved back here after living in a larger city for nearly twenty years, I was not aware that this was progress for Knoxville. If this is a dead horse, please forgive me for I did not know, but please indulge me this one last blow.

What you seem to be saying in effect is that the people of Knoxville need more protection from themselves courtesy of city hall than the people of other cities. I understand the liability issues. But if that is the concern, why sell beer at all? Water would have been great because it was so hot. But, I did not see any water available.

And two beer taps for three or four thousand people? At that capacity, I estimate it would take 16 or 17 hours to serve each person just one beer. This is obviously designed to control the flow of beer at these events. What are the promoters and city officials so worried about? Has there been some past rioting or something I didn�t know about?

And the procedures of standing in one line to present ID, another to purchase tokens, and yet another to actually purchase a beer seem excessive. Actually standing in line for 45 minutes is excessive, but after a while, you just have keep on going all the way as a point of honor and duty and to not have wasted all that time and money. Well, actually I ended up wasting money by paying $12 for two beers. By the time my SO (who thought I had been arrested or something because I was gone so long) and I had obtained one each and finished it, the taps were shut off and I was stuck with two useless tokens.

Ando how does this procedure keep a teenager from obtaining beer and wrapping his or her car around a phone pole? Why are they more likely to get beer at an event than at the convenience store or one of the bars on either side of the event? Why can�t the people serving the beer be trusted to check ID and collect the money? Oh wait, I think that might be one part of the answer. Somebody must not trust them to handle the money.

Or does it have to do with being licensed? If so, why not issue permits to vendors who are already licensed to serve alcohol and let them serve whatever they want within the same operating rules they have for their bars or restaurants or whatever? That�s how some other cities do it.

Anyway, my scathing satire is not directed at the fine folks who organize and work these events. I sympathize with them because they probably have to put up with a lot of hostility and abuse. I don�t blame them because I assume they are working under rules set up by our illustrious and oh so paternalistic city leaders. And yes, there are a lot worse things than standing in line in the hot sun without water for 45 minutes for a $6 beer. But to me, this is just one small symptom of the problems Knoxville will have to overcome to be taken seriously as a thriving, progressive community.




ok, then..

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ok, then.. -- innocent bystander
Posted by Ashley Capps , Jul 23,2001,13:19   MetroBlab

I'm assuming that innocent bystander is talking about the Hard Knox Blues Festival in the Old City on Saturday.

First of all, I realize that the system of getting ID'ed, buying beer tickets, and then getting your beer may seem a bit tedious, but generally it works. It was "borrowed" from a number of other events, some of which are in what I might imagine you would call "progressive" cities.
When the system works, one only has to be ID'ed once, rather than every time you purchase a beer. And the ID isn't being checked by a person who is busily trying to take care of something else. The ID bracelets also provide a certain amount of visual check for officers and security.
Also, with tickets, you don't have the problems of folks having to make change at the beer trucks (not to mention soggy money).
There is no system that is completely foolproof, but this one seems to work best. We're certainly open to suggestions.

It's unfortunate that there was such a back up at the beer truck this past Saturday. There were several reasons, none of which are related to the beer ticket system.

For one thing, the event this year was enormously more successful than last. There were a LOT more people. The ribs folks ran out of food very early in the evening, and the beer truck ran out of beer early in the evening. They were able to get some more, but it wasn't easy, and it slowed things down.

The big slow down, however, occurred with two defective kegs, which were spewing foam rather than beer. This was what really messed things up and slowed things to a stop for a while.

When the truck ultimately did run out of beer at around 9:15 p.m., anyone holding tickets was offered the opportunity to redeem them at the bar at Barley's.

There were four taps not two (but that wasn't enough) and water was readily available with the other drinks at the "soft drink" stand, where there was no line to speak of.

It's hard to predict how many people are going to show up at a free event. The surprise turnout and some equipment malfunctions, however, were the major causes of your experience, not some poor misguided nazis trying to stand in the way of your enjoyment of a beer.

Ashley




ok, then..

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ok, then.. -- Ashley Capps
Posted by Hunter Rose ® , Jul 23,2001,13:58   MetroBlab

water was readily available with the other drinks at the "soft drink" stand

Two questions:

Did it cost money?

Was it unfiltered Knoxville tap water?

If the answer to either is "yes", then I'd rather drink beer.


ok, then..

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ok, then.. -- Ashley Capps
Posted by innocent bystander , Jul 23,2001,13:28   MetroBlab

ok, then. my bad. sorry.


ok, then..

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ok, then.. -- innocent bystander
Posted by Hank IV , Jul 23,2001,21:49   MetroBlab

Hello.I am a beer Nazi.Hey folks,no one stood in line more than 5 minutes to get 1) a wrist band if they were over 21 and 2)beer tickets.I know.I have put a wrist band on damn near everyone who attended the event.Sometimes technical problems occur (i.e. a couple of bad taps) that can't be helped.Shit happens.overall it was a GREAT SUCCESS.ask any resturant owner/manager in the Old City.