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jackie mclean vertigo bobby hutcherson stick up Funkadelic comsic slop grand funk live album mulgrew miller wingspan
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| Posted by Julias Jaded Jester ® , Oct 01,2003,19:20 |
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Dwight Yoakam -- Reprise: the Warner Brothers Years The Doors -- Box Set U2 -- Zooropa George Jones -- Cold Hard Truth Sue Foley -- Love Comin' Down
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| Posted by Lee G ® , Oct 01,2003,15:08 |
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I have Outkast envy. Everything I've heard so far is genius, but my fave rekah sto' got flooded in the hurricane. If it doesn't dry out soon, I'm gonna have to go to Borders and shell out SRP. Grrr.Milton Nascimento and Lo Borges Club da Esquina Rolling Stones Let It Bleed (sometimes only "Monkey Man" will do) Funki Porcini Love, Pussycats and Carwrecks Carl Craig et al The Detroit Experiment Mitsuko Uchida Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21, 3 Klavierstuecke Bonus track: White Mischief, which I am despondent to learn is not available on DVD
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Hey Lee. Are you listening to much Brazilian music these days? I love that Nascimento/Borges disc. Nice to see it pop up on your list. What do you think of The Detroit Experiment?
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| Posted by Lee G ® , Oct 02,2003,10:27 |
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I've been listening to a ton of Brazilian stuff over the past few years. Dustygroove.com has probably added a whole wing to their brick-and-mortar store at my expense. Of course, there's just so much of it (classic and contemporary) that I still feel like I've barely scratched the surface.In fact, I'm still kind of working my way into Milton. Any recommendations? I love Carl Craig, but so far I only like The Detroit Experiment. I'm really into the stuff that sounds like it could be a sountrack for a remake of Uptown Saturday Night, and there are some amazing players involved (Geri Allen!), but my attention wanders away in spots, and I hate, hate, hate the cover of "Too High." I keep putting it in the trade pile, but then I keep putting it on "one more time" and then putting it back in the current listening pile.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,18:15 |
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Yeah, the OutKast album is mighty fine -- funny and funky and weird, and if it's too long, well, that's OK too. (anyway, I thought big-city newspaper editors got promo copies of these things)I take it you recommend the Detroit Experiment? I've been curious.
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| Posted by Lee G ® , Oct 02,2003,10:38 |
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The promo train don't stop here anymore, sad to say. But I do have a string of DVD hookups now (including the Criterion Collection), so I can't complain.As I said above, I like The Detroit Experiment, but I don't love it.
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| Posted by fluffy ® , Oct 01,2003,15:07 |
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1. South-'With the Tides' 2. Pretty Girls Make Graves-'The New Romance' 3. The Joggers-'Solid Guild' 4. Lamplighter-'3 Point Perspective' 5. Rye Coalition-'Jersey Girls'
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after a visit to the Lynnpoint world headquarters last week (thanks J&VB):The Westside Daredevils - All Things Small Produce a Spark The High Score - Sexy Losers The Indicators - Kill the Messenger the Estradas - Last Summer's Folding Chair and this just in:
A Mighty Wind DVD
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broadcast - ha ha sound goldfrapp - black cherry dandy warhols - welcome to the monkey house grandaddy - sumday matt elliott - the mess we made polyphonic spree - the beginnig stages of the decemberists - castaways and cutouts
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| Posted by Sony of America ® , Oct 01,2003,14:53 |
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dandy warhols - welcome to the monkey house grandaddy - sumdayHow are these? I've heard very mixed reviews of the latter, and nothing at all about the quality of the former. I thought the Warhols' Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia was a masterpiece, albeit poorly-named.
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It pleases me to listen to them, but they seem to have quite the opposite effect on some our colleagues. I propose you listen to them before you make any purchase.
--modified at Wed, Oct 01, 2003, 19:17:12
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,15:26 |
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Can I just say that I don't get the Dandy Warhols? I mean, I "get" it -- tuneful, fuzzy-buzzy, all their influences are in order -- but, uh, so what?I dunno, the whole indie rock scene seems so tired and self-referential and self-involved compared to everything else going on.
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I absolutely loathed the Dandies for years after that junkie song was all over the radio. Then I read this article talking about them working with Massive Attack, so I thought I might give them a second chance. I picked up the Tales cd and was blown away. To each his own, I suppose. I have to admit that I find a lot of your picks pretty loathesome, as well, but you won't find me pitching a hissy fit. I mean, eminem? Jesus fucking christ.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,21:30 |
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Whoa, it's not a personal attack or anything. I like lots of stuff other people hate, that's OK by me. I just like talking about art, ideas, etc., including music -- what fun is it if you can't appreciate or argue about it?
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| Posted by fluffy ® , Oct 01,2003,16:26 |
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and as far as Grandaddy goes, i really wanted to like them since a lot of my friends recommended them to me. i really tried. and in the end, i was ready to stick chopsticks in my eyes. they bored the crap out of me. to me just another one of those bands that gets critical acclaim that i just dont see the appeal. and im with you on the Dandy Warhols too. and most of what you said about most of indie rock. did you pick up the new Aesop Rock cd yet? those Definitive Jux guys are on a roll.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,18:34 |
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I haven't listened to enough Def Jux stuff -- I don't even have the last Cannibal Ox album, much less the new Aesop Rock. I'd like to hear it, but I admit I've been somewhat poisoned by reading a lot of pro-pop/anti-backpack hip-hop criticism. The basic charge is that the Def Jux school is a bunch of college-boy wannabes who can't flow like Jay or spit like 50 (i.e. the Def Jux crew aren't "real" enough). Of course, this criticism is almost entirely written by (mostly white) college boys, so it's easy enough to dismiss. On the other hand, top 40 mass commercial hip hop right now is producing some killer stuff. (all of which is leaving aside the fact of Eminem, who's way weirder and more inventive than any of the Def Jux guys and outsells Jay-Z...but anyway)Bottom line, I'd like to hear it.
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| Posted by fluffy ® , Oct 02,2003,08:40 |
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a lot of hip hop leaves me cold, so for me the DefJux stuff is a breath of fresh air. the critics are probably right to an extent about DefJux appealing to the bikebag crowd, and personally thats fine with me. as for flow, everyone has their own voice and style, and i would take Akrobatik and Lif over 50 anyday. i also think lyrically they are head and shoulders above folks like 50 too. its just a different way of packaging the style, maybe thats why folks like Cex and Dalek appeal to me too; its not the same old same old. you have to evolve and branch out the sound, and i dont see a lot of pop hip hoppers doing that, aside from their sampling choices. im curious to read what a lot of the hip hop kids are saying about the new Outkast. i finally heard the whole thing last night, and i just cant imagine a lot of 50 fans going for it.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 02,2003,11:23 |
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I don't know about a lot of 50 fans, but I like 50 pretty well and I love OutKast. And since it's the new number one album in the country, some of them hip-hop kids must be buying it.
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| Posted by Sony of America ® , Oct 02,2003,15:41 |
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OutKast has moments of extreme brilliance, indeed.
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| Posted by Dr. Autonomo ® , Oct 01,2003,16:20 |
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A FUCKING MEN
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| Posted by Sony of America ® , Oct 01,2003,15:52 |
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the whole indie rock scene seems so tired and self-referential and self-involved compared to everything else going on"Everything else" meaning...? Anyway, what does "indie rock" mean? What did it ever mean? Is there really any stylistic basis for lumping Pavement and Slint into the same "genre"? I don't think there is. There are good albums and bad albums, I think. No such thing as a bad genre, even if "indie rock" were a genre, which I don't believe it is.
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| Posted by fluffy ® , Oct 01,2003,16:20 |
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'indie rock' is just music that isnt on a major label, hence the term indie. its more or less a "us vs. them" categorization. sadly the sub-categories of indie are where things get really goofy(for instance ive heard Slint described as everything from 'post-rock' to 'math-rock'. uh..say what?).
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| Posted by Sony of America ® , Oct 01,2003,18:52 |
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Post-rock is just as bad a term as indie rock. Totally meaningless. It's a marketing term, not a genre.It would be more literally accurate to call Godspeed You! Black Emperor "classical" than to call them "post-rock", because at least the former actually means something.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,20:24 |
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Yeah, labels are problematic, but they do serve some purpose. We can all argue about the exact parameters of "indie rock" (as we could about almost any genre), but at the same time I think most of us have a general idea of what it means.Personally, I just haven't been too excited by much under the indie rubric in the last few years. There's plenty of nice stuff being done, and probably more good stuff than I know about, but what I've heard doesn't do much for me. Even living in NYC, it's hard to get too interested in the Strokes or Yeah Yeah Yeahs or whoever. (and don't get me started on Interpol) I like Fischerspooner, but they're not really a rock band. The post-rock wing seems to have done its thing and done it well, but now they're just painting the same rooms over and over. The grrls have started to age, some more gracefully than others. The twee popsters are pleasant, but no matter how much I like Saturday Looks Good to Me or All-Girl Summer Fun Band (and I do like them), it's still just Yankee variations on If You're Feeling Sinister. (and don't get me started on emo) And maybe Spiritualized is too "big" to count as indie, not to mention Radiohead or the Flaming Lips, but I'm afraid they've all grown a little tiresome. None of it really makes me feel like I'm living now, you know? I mean, someone like FourTet may or may not be a better musician or a greater creative mind than any of those named above -- probably he's not -- but he's paying a lot more attention to the world around him. (and don't get me started on Dizzee Rascal, because once I do I won't ever shut up) Of course, it's no accident that the majority of what I'm talking about are Amerindie acts, arising from and appealing primarily to a segment of the largely self-involved American middle class, at a time when middle-class American culture is defiantly isolated from most of the rest of the world. Sure, indie kids are maybe more socio-politically aware than your average Limbaugh listener -- but maybe not as much more as they'd like to think. In any case, it's also no accident that the most globally aware and internationally minded American music right now -- at least on a musical level, if not a socio-political one -- is hip hop, which is busy ransacking the globe for rhythms and hooks and anything that's not nailed down. (It's also more cross-culturally minded than any kind of rock even within the borders of the continental U.S. -- witness the afore-lauded OutKast album, not to mention Bubba Sparxxx.) I like indie rock fine. I'm just not counting on it to tell me anything new right now.
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Interpol is perhaps the most horrible band to get massive acclaim in decades, I think.I dunno... I guess it depends what you want out of music. I tend to get my big new exciting ideas from books and movies. Music to me is all about the pure thrill of the sound; I pay very little attention to the overwhelming "commentary" it makes. That's probably why I am increasingly drawn to bands like Mogwai, who are moving mostly in the direction of simply making music rather than attaching all these emotional or political or stylistic agendas to it. That's one reason I liked the last GY!BE album so much; it was 100% music and nothing more.
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That said, I'm a big ole hypocrite anyway because I also love stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, Eminem, TV On the Radio, or Bob Dylan precisely because of the political or emotional ideas attached to the music.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 02,2003,02:18 |
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But doesn't all music have emotions and ideas attached? I mean, it's an expressive art form, so it's always expressing something, right? And yeah, I'm not saying there has to be some explicit message, in the lyrics or whatever, just that I like hearing things I haven't heard before -- either hearing someone express something that's new to me, or hearing someone express something I've heard expressed before but in a different way, or even someone expressing something familiar in a familiar way but doing it with enough energy or humor or affection that it makes me appreciate it all over again. It's not necessarily the words or instrumentation or production, but it can be all of those things, or even just the way the spaces between the beats are used. It can be as small as that baby sample on "Are You That Somebody," or the interview fragments on GYBE albums. Or the way Corin Tucker and Carrie Brownstein's guitar lines weave in and out of each other. Or the way Busta Rhymes says "Whoo-ha!" Or whatever. That sense of newness and discovery is what strikes me as being, not missing, but lacking in the indie universe these days. That and a sense of humor (OK, there's Ween, but there are entirely too few funny guys in indieland).
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i had a similar discussion with one of the guys in my band last night, about how indie rock as of late has had a lot of unimpressive releases lately. there have been a few that have caused blips on my radar, but overall ive been let down by a lot of albums. it seems that a lot of the new bands arent doing anything new or particularly original, as you said. thank god for Half.com, ive been able to dump a lot of my blase' albums on others there. as far as GYBE goes, i quite paying attention to them after the double album they released a while back. it was just getting repetitive. even the new Mogwai is really just "ok" to me. i think i go through genre binges, in which i really get into a particualar style for a while, and when i get tired of that i move onto a different sound for an undetermined amount of time. helps me keep my sanity, and prevents boredom. think i will go back to jazz or IDM for a while now, since indie rock is leaving me cold these days.
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I guess I'm just weird, I always like all the music I own fairly equally. I don't tend to go on specific "genre binges".If you want something really original and far-out, pick up some Sun City Girls albums. Wacky to the max.
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i havent heard of them; i will have to check them out. perhaps i should clarify; i dont necessarily go on binges as far as my permanent collection goes. the genre bingeing is more related to actual new purchases. like i go into the store and think to myself "ya know i really want some new_____", and thats what i investigate and purchase. as of late, its been just general indie rock/pop. and as ive said, the last few albums of that style have been a let down, either the 1 or 2 songs that ive heard were great but the whole album left a lot to be desired, or its one of those albums that all my friends recommended, but after buying it i end up either noncommital or just flat out hating. i guess thats one of the reasons i like the top 5 lists here. i can at least see what folks with similar interests(sans JJJ's list of course) are listening to.
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heard this complaint before, and it is valid. but i would suggest trying to take it at face value. judge ye first thy rock and roll on aesthetics, then mayest thou attach thine socio-political/hip-cultural relevance. or something.that being said, i heard the new one is terrible, but haven't heard for myself yet.
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1. Leona Naess "It's Called Desire" 2. Polyphonic Spree "Have A Day" (or whatever) 3. Scout Niblett "I Am" 4. Neko Case, anything 5. Peaches "Fatherfucker"Bonus: Kaki King, playing Sundown this week. Show up early for really nice guitar playing. Stick around for that blues guitarist, too, if you want.
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Spiritualized - Amazing Grace - Pierce's best album since Pure Phase, no foolin'.Belle and Sebastian - Lazy Line Painter Jane EP - Forgot how good this is. Joy Division - Closer Happy Mondays - Pills n' Thrills and Bellyaches the Smiths - Strangeways, Here We Come bonus track: TV On the Radio, "Blind"
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"Spiritualized - Amazing Grace - Pierce's best album since Pure Phase, no foolin'."i dunno, 'Let Them Come Down' was pretty incredible.
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this is what my RealOne Player says when i put in a Spirtualized disc-"Truly the best post-Spacemen 3 project, Spiritualized make psychedelic, orchestral epics for pasty, half-lidded indie kids."no foolin.
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| Posted by Sony of America ® , Oct 01,2003,15:56 |
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That's hilarious.Yeah, Let It Come Down was awesome, and I don't understand why so many people said it was weak because of overproduction. However, Amazing Grace is so good because it's so stripped-down - none of the songs are longer than four minutes, and gone are the over-the-top gospel-and-string additions. Instead, Pierce lets the beauty of the songs stand on their own, and it works marvelously.
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whats really disturbing is the inner sleeve where it talks about who played what. looked like a logistical nightmare as far as recording went. last time i saw them the sound was pretty bad, but given all the crap they have to mike, i wasnt too surprised.
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I saw them in Atlanta about a year and a half ago, and it was utterly incredible. The only time I'd seen them prior was in Toronto near the end of '97. They're playing the same place again this year, a horrifically cool venue called EarthLink Live, which has tiered seating much like an amphitheatre but done in such a way that everyone feels very close to the stage. Except for the fact you can't smoke inside the theater proper, it's the best place to see a band I can think of.They even have draft Guiness for like $3.
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1. The Darkness - Permission to Land 2. The Thorns - s/t 3. Tom Waits - Closing Time 4. Damien Rice - O 5. Ryan Adams - Gold
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frank zappa and the mothers of invention - we're only in it for the money a mighty wind - original motion picture soundtrack sloan - action pact golden smog - weird tales tenacious d - tenacious d
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Outkast - Speakerboxx/The Love Below Grandaddy - Sumday Miles Davis - Complete Jack Johnson Recordings (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Television - Marquee Moon (remastered) David Sylvian - Everything and Nothing
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How is that Grandaddy record as a whole? I love the single, but that's all I've heard. I was thinking about going and picking it up?
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Well...it's interesting. While I'm listening to it, I love it. But it doesn't exactly stick with me later. Like, I don't exactly find myself humming the tunes or anything, if you know what I mean. But sometimes I think this is because I listen to too much music. If you love the single, I think you'll love the disc.
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| Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Oct 01,2003,12:30 |
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5 from the Hot 97 playlist ("New York's #1 Station, Blazin' Hip Hop and R&B"):Get Busy Sean Paul Milkshake Kelis (note to self: must buy this) The Way You Move OutKast Get Low Lil Jon & the Eastside Boyz Can't Stop, Won't stop Young Gunz Bonus track: One that won't show up on Hot 97 (I don't think): "Hey Ya" by OutKast -- the best acoustic-guitar pop song of the year. Shake it like a Polaroid picture.
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1. Wire, "Chairs Missing" 2. Wire, "154" 3. OutKast, "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below" 4. A gary Allan mix 5. A Ted Leo mix
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1) Flaming Lips-Hit To Death In The Future Head 2)Will Hoge-Blackbird On a Lonely Wire 3)Me First and The Gimme Gimmes-Blow In The Wind 4)NWA-Straight Outta Compton 5)Superdrag-Head Trip In Every Key
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Michael J. Bowman- Bad Faith (hometaper dude worth checking out www.semperlofi.com) Sloan- Action Pact Fugazi- The Argument H.P. Lovecraft- twofer I & II Radiohead- Hail to the Thief (going to see 'em live in Atlanta Monday- schwing!)
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