Observations on Mayoral Race


Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,15:26   MetroBlab

Some comments from my buddy in crime Pete Norris:

Some Choice!! Big Government Republican vs. Lefty Democrat.

The election for the Knoxville mayor's race is being held today. The
Republican candidate is Bill Haslam, son of UT Board of Trustee member
Jim Haslam (and founder of Pilot Oil Corp.) The elder Haslam is partly
responsible for the appointment of John Shumaker to the UT presidency.

The rapid expansion in the breadth and scope of government, not the
state income tax, is the primary issue for most of you, I think.

The disease that has caused the explosion in government is the
(unfortunate natural) desire (by some) to receive something for
nothing. The drumming for higher and higher taxes is only a symptom of
the disease and not the disease itself.

According to several polls, it looks like Haslam will win the
election. The campaign manager for Haslam is Wayne Ritchie, former
Democrat state legislator, who is more than likely a proponent of a
state income tax. Another person helping with Haslam's campaign is UT
Professor Bill Lyons, who has been outspoken in favor of a state
income tax.

I'm sure that they (i.e. Haslam, et al) will be drumming for a state
income tax before long.

Comments (below sad but true, in my opinion):

The Democrat Party has ruined the grand old word "liberal." Liberal
used to mean open-mindedness, tolerance, and respect for civil
liberties. Today the word "liberal" means something else.

The Republican Party has ruined the grand old word "conservative." The
word "conservative" used to mean fiscal prudence and intelligence. We
all know what it means today.



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Posted by Michael ® , Sep 30,2003,16:23   MetroBlab

The campaign manager for Haslam is Wayne Ritchie...Another person helping with Haslam's campaign is UT Professor Bill Lyons

Um...not exactly. Bill Lyons is the campaign manager and Wayne Ritchie is the treasurer. If your friend doesn't have his facts straight on that much, I wouldn't rely too heavily on anything else he may have to say.
~m.


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Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,17:41   MetroBlab

Yeah. Bill Lyons never appeared to be much of a financial manager. His ass-kissing of Shumaker and his conservative management style speaks for itself. But he is good at creating spin, something that Bill O'Reilly hates you know. Beats me why Ritchie(who I recall was a Democrat) decided to jump on the Haslam bandwagon. When you have Democrats and Republicans working together, is that a good thing? I guess it depends on who you ask.

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Posted by pdman ® , Sep 30,2003,18:09   MetroBlab

Uh, you have Lyons mixed up with Bill Fox, the guy pushing the income tax.

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Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,18:16   MetroBlab

Bill Fox was pushing the income tax and who is to say Bill Lyons won't at least suggest it if and when Haslam takes over and perhaps becomes swollen with power. I will give whoever the next mayor is the benefit of a doubt, but always stay on your toes. Of course, a state income ta and local property tax are somewhat different in the sense of what level is levying it.

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Posted by Michael ® , Sep 30,2003,17:52   MetroBlab

When you have Democrats and Republicans working together, is that a good thing?

You probably ought to stick to archaic political philosophy and leave current events alone. City elections are non-partison.
~m.


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Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,18:14   MetroBlab

And right here as opposed to over there or way up there.

At least there is a benefit to keeping things closer to home than sending off all our issues to Washington. If there is to be any government, a decentralized government is preferable to one that is highly centralized.

Of course, I'm still not convinced of it being a necessity, only a convenience in some cases for external smooth running in society.


If it were

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Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,18:28   MetroBlab

only a convenience in some cases for external smooth running in society, I suppose I would be okay with that. But in all of history, no government that started small and well-meaning stayed that way. They always become larger and more tyrannical. Thus, private alternatives that operate on user fees would work best. From the Tannahills to Neil Smith and back to Lysander Spooner and others in his time and earlier have discussed how this non-statist society would work. It may be a utopia of sorts, but it is far from being a societal choice given how damn far we are from ever having it to consider as a option to a statist society.

For those who don't know, statism is concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government. It pretty much the same thing as socialism which is defined as:

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Capitalism on the other hand merely disguises itself as operating on free-market principles but is really incorporates elements of tax, usury, landlordism, and tariff, which thus denies the Free Market.

The Free Market on the other hand is which all economic transactions result from voluntary choice without coercion.

Here are some explanations



What about facism then

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If it were -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 30,2003,18:37   MetroBlab

Isn't capitalism the same as facism? Facism is an authoritarian form of statism that advocates private property, a State-centralized economy, militarism and nationalism.