thoughts on vice


Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Sep 29,2003,13:52   MetroBlab

Anybody read
Vice? I don't see it around very much -- don't hang out at hip enough places, obviously, and they'd probably rather die than distribute on the uncool Upper East Side -- but I read it online some. I always have mixed reactions to it -- some of it is funny, and they dig up interesting music, movies, etc. But a lot of it's lazy (Cum vs. Moisturizer, har har), and the "politically incorrect," "ironic" racism, sexism and gaybaiting isn't so much offensive as predictable. Seems kinda 1990s. Which I guess makes sense, given their history (that article's by Zak's friend Adam, for anyone who cares).

That story ran about a year ago, and hell even Rolling Stone wrote about them longer ago than that, so I guess it kind of makes sense that Vice is this month's thing for the mainstream media to get all hot and bothered about.

I'm not sure Vice can really be pigeonholed as "conservative cool" or whatever -- they're not really that ideological, for one thing, and if you strip away the attitude, the 20 percent that's left turns out to be pretty standard alt-weekly type stuff. (Like this "edgy," "provocative" story called I Love Meth, which gets off on showing you a photo of a girl helping her guy shoot up -- hey, who doesn't want a girl like that? -- but within three paragraphs is ranting about how evil and stupid meth is. Well, no shit.) But anyway, whatever you want to call Vice, I'm assuming that its editors would be the first ones to admit that once you're featured in Newsweek and The New York Times in the same week, you're maybe not as edgy as you think.


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Posted by GSMOT(tm) ® , Sep 29,2003,13:58   MetroBlab

may I call you gfb for short, TAFKAjfm?

You've single-handedly made me interested in visiting The Big Apple (OK, well, you *and* Seinfeld), and I'm wondering, have you checked out Mary Lee's Corvette yet? How about Laura Cantrell? (both her radio show and live show). What's your fave places to eat in NYC?


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Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Sep 29,2003,16:18   MetroBlab

Call me anything but late for happy hour, sweetcheeks. No and no on both musical acts, although I've heard Laura Cantrell interviewed and sing a few songs on the radio -- sounded good, plus she was funny. There was a free show a few months ago with Mary Lee's Corvette and a few other bands, but it rained that day so I didn't go down (the amount of great free music I missed this summer makes me hang my head in perpetual shame). Places to eat? Well, it's such a crap shoot, you know? It depends on what you like, what part of town, etc. My personal top 10:

Tabla, a nouveau Indian place near Madison Square Park (not to be confused with Madison Square Garden)that we went to for our anniversary dinner -- we could only afford it because we got a gift certificate as a wedding present from canny friends;

The Ethiopian Restaurant (nothing like a straightforward name) up here in our neighborhood, on York at 84th Street. I actually like it better than Meskerem, which I gather is the best-known Ethiopian place in the Village;

Staying in our neighborhood for a minute, the Saigon Grill on 2nd and 88th is delicious Vietnamese, with marvelous cold vegetarian summer rolls;

A little further south, Penang has spectacular Malaysian food (just ask Zilla);

Over on the West side, on Columbus or Amsterdam (can't remember), in the low 80s, there's a really good Tibetan place whose name escapes me, but they serve dumplings with this killer hot-pepper sauce;

Again without a name (sorry), I went to a...uh, well I'm getting tired of saying "delicious"...really really good tiny Korean restaurant in the East Village, on St. Mark's Place near 2nd Ave. (even better than West Knox's Korea House, tho Korea House is no slouch);

There's a whole string of Turkish restaurants on the East side in the 60s and 70s, so last week I wandered into one called Sultan somewhat randomly and ordered a couple of appetizers and about went to heaven (or whatever the Turkish equivalent is) -- shredded zucchini pancakes served in a warm tomato sauce drizzled lightly with cream, grape leaves stuffed with rice and nuts, Turkish coffee, and then these little honey puff pastries for dessert...oh man...;

For Indian, I love Dakshin, which has a place up near me where I can go for lunch buffets and also a place in Midtown that we can order from for the office;

There's a Ukrainian diner called Veselka down near St. Mark's (you can tell where I spend the most time from where I eat, huh?), justly famous for its amazing pierogies and also good for just plain old brunch if that's more your style;

And I can't leave out Bagel Bob's around the corner, which is responsible for a good handful of meals a week for me -- swiss cheese sandwiches on a toasted poppy seed bagel, what more could you want?

Sorry. I'd never tried to tabulate my eating preferences before. Mmm, I'm hungry all over again, and I just ate. Of course, there are also zillions of Italian places and seafood places and so forth, and we've been to a lot of those too, but the ones above are the places that best cater to my vegetarian taste buds.




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Posted by tardisrider ® , Sep 30,2003,00:42   MetroBlab

Just for the record, I'd have to argue with you about the Korea House not being much of a slouch. I suppose that they do well with available supplies and local ingredients, but trust me---it just ain't the same as Korean food in Korea. I will say that the food (at both Korea House and Kaya) gets much better if you go in and start speaking Korean to the proprieters.

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Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Sep 30,2003,04:10   MetroBlab

I believe you. I'm curious about how much of what we get in Korean restaurants is actually much like daily Korean cuisine. It's good either way, though. I've had the baked-earthenware-fried-egg-on-rice-and-veggies-with-hot-sauce dish by several different names, but it's been delicious every time.

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Posted by GSMOT(tm) ® , Sep 29,2003,16:45   MetroBlab

Yum...I *love* Asian and Middle Eastern food, and I'm game enough to try Ukrainian. Sounds like my type of town...oh yeah, Ethiopean...Love it too. I've dined at Red Sea in the Adams Morgan section of DC a couple of times, and also found this really funky Ethiopean place in Nashville...truly a hole-in-the-wall and the waitress/cook couldn't understand a word of American, much less how to communicate how much the bill was...definitely lower-scale than Red Sea but possibly more accurately mirroring what you'd find anywhere in Addas Ababa. Anyway, my lunch partner was a terribly good sport. If the whole experience wasn't funny, and the food wasn't good, it would have been very unnerving.


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Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Sep 29,2003,18:54   MetroBlab

I remembered the name of the Korean place, it's called Temple. And it's right next to an upscale Mexican place called La Palapa that one of my friends swears by. (and in the basement of the Mexican place is where Trotsky used to put out a newspaper)

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Posted by Michael ® , Sep 29,2003,22:19   MetroBlab

When I was living in Detroit, the first Ethiopian restaurant in the region launched there. Mind you, this was in the mid-eighties, and at the peak of the Ethiopian joke period. It was strangely ironic to enjoy a delightful cuisine eminating from what was generally portrayed as the country that tiplified starvation.
~m.


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Posted by gypsyfrocksbedlam ® , Sep 30,2003,04:23   MetroBlab

I had that same reaction the first time a friend took me to an Ethiopian restaurant -- for most of us, Ethiopia primarily signifies famine, which is sad when you consider the history and nobility of that place. It's a cradle of civilization right there. And the food tastes like it. The whole communal eating thing, you can tell this was how people bonded and socialized and worked out differences. There's something immensely satisfying about everyone eating off the same plate (as long as you have enough food to go around, of course, but that's part of the point -- that kind of civilization could only exist once there was enough food to go around). One thing I loved about the International Jubilee every year was the Eritrean booth. It was the only time you could get sub-Saharan food in Knoxville.