Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'


Posted by run n gun ® , Sep 24,2003,12:39   MetroBlab

If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- run n gun
Posted by jfm ® , Sep 24,2003,16:05   MetroBlab

Neither the previous administration nor the U.N. invaded Iraq using WMDs as a pretext.

Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- jfm
Posted by 800lb gorilla ® , Sep 25,2003,11:15   MetroBlab

Oh, so it's ok to have the certainty of a terrorist nation stockpiling weapons (as Mrs. Clinton asserted), including nuclear, as long as you don't ever act upon that knowledge.



Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- 800lb gorilla
Posted by fluffy ® , Sep 25,2003,11:43   MetroBlab

why not? weve been ignoring terrorist states like S.A. and Egypt for years, and there IS a connection between 9/11 and S.A., as has been proven.

Ah, how quickly you forget...

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- jfm
Posted by run n gun ® , Sep 24,2003,22:49   MetroBlab

quotes like this:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002,
So are you saying with leading luminaries in the Senate who hold beliefs such as this, it's better to let a bloodthirsty dictator develop and acquire those KNOWN stockpiles of chemical, biological and, to quote Hillary, NUCLEAR weapons and do nothing? If not, what's the alternative?
And lest you forget, Clinton (Bill) launched his 'war against terror' (conveniently upon impeachment proceedings) to 'protect the Free World.'
Would you like me to give you some quotes from Bill about what it was convenient for him to think about Saddam at the time?
The only real reason we didn't disarm Hussein while Clinton was in power was because he was too busy conducting opinion polls on how to deliver speeches to the public. That and the fact that he "loathed" the U.S. military (his word, not mine.)


Ah, how quickly you forget...

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Ah, how quickly you forget... -- run n gun
Posted by jeffx ® , Sep 25,2003,10:13   MetroBlab

"So are you saying... it's better to let a bloodthirsty dictator develop and acquire those KNOWN stockpiles of chemical, biological and, to quote Hillary, NUCLEAR weapons and do nothing?"

no, i'd say we need to vote him out of office.


care to cite the sources of your "quotes?" (n/t)

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Ah, how quickly you forget... -- run n gun
Posted by Portnoy ® , Sep 24,2003,23:46   MetroBlab

i didn't think so.

and since we can't FIND the freakin' mass destruction weapons...

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- jfm
Posted by Julias Jaded Jester ® , Sep 24,2003,19:30   MetroBlab

And since we can't even FIND the freakin' weapons, we look like a bunch of jackasses to the entire continent of Europe.

Since rebuilding the thing is just about to break our already broken deficit laden treasury, we gotta go back to the U.N. and plead for cash and soldiers.

We invaded back in March-- and hell it's now freakin October next week; if we were gonna find some sarin gas we'd a found it by now. We got no VX nerve agent. We got no anthrax. We got no nuclear rocket plants. We ain't even got ordinary rocket plants.

We're more blue than Liv Tyler's eyes about the lovable fact we haven't found any, but the hard part is facing down all these folks who think we're really in there for the oil, at the end of a 480 billion dollar deficit with unemployment at a 20 year high....

we've tax cutted our way to a gutted out treasury, and the one place that is hirin' makes cruise missiles.

The Euros, so hung up on human rights, think we're operatin' on a big double standard, where our own citizens get lawyers for free but arrested foreigners are 'enemy combatants' locked up in Cuban cages like animals. They really wanted us to give up these psychos to the ICC (International Criminal Court) so they could spend 4 years just prepping the case in time for the 5 appointed defense lawyers to shred the evidence, and diseminate exactly HOW we found out about them. Nothing like compromised security and intelligence methods exposed for the entire arab world to see, and in the mean time the savages would be kept in high cotton, treated like political prisoners in a halfway house in Helsinki, or Strassbourg.

How do ya spell 'big plucking mess' momma?

As soon as we back out of Afghanistan, some new breed of killer psychopathic foaming at the mouth muslim group will take it over, and be back to beatin' their femmes, and making them wear the burkas again.

Poppy plants swayin' in the breeze.

NOT FINDING those weapons is the biggest albatross hanging 'round this president's neck, and I think it's a part of the reason why his approval rating has dropped ten points in 5 months. Add in to the mix this sick and staggering economy, and ya got the Washington Blues... for an admin that slid in the back door with a half million less votes.

We're sorry Mister President, it seems that the french weren't buying enough oil from them, and they jes didn't have the dog gone CASHOLA to build any sarin plants. And we're gonna need ya to go to them boys in congress and git us about 90 billion for more 'reconstruction'...

and we uh....don't take a check. Cash is always nice, though. Surely you guys have got the CASH, what with all those new jobs that yer tax cuts made....


--modified at Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 19:33:25


Ironic, isn't it...

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and since we can't FIND the freakin' mass destruction weapons... -- Julias Jaded Jester
Posted by run n gun ® , Sep 24,2003,23:01   MetroBlab

that we're still in Kosovo four years later trying to help people, but we've got people like you and Jess who can't stand to be helping the Iraqis get their country together for even one year.
Oh, and who was the 'fearless leader' in Kosovo. Your very own Gen. Wesley (uh, let me clarify my support for the Iraq war by saying I never would support the Iraq war) Clark.
Please explain.
Hey, are you guys of French ancestry, by any chance?


no irony here

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Ironic, isn't it... -- run n gun
Posted by Portnoy ® , Sep 24,2003,23:44   MetroBlab

The Kosovo operation was conducted because Milosevic and his henchmen were busy with their 'ethnic cleasing' activities. The stated reason for the mission was to stop the ethnic cleansing. That reason was stated and valid both before and after the successful operation in Kosovo.

In Iraq, the stated reason for going in was imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. As the WMDs have yet to be found, the imminent danger argument becomes a little flimsy, so now the administration tells us the mission was to liberate the oppressed Iraqi people. We got the bait-and-switch in Iraq. The natural human reaction to finding out about the bait-and-switch is to be displeased. It's not hard to follow.


no irony here

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no irony here -- Portnoy
Posted by jfm ® , Sep 25,2003,01:18   MetroBlab

Right. And R&G old buddy, please go find me these horrible liberals or Democrats or whoever they are who are saying we shouldn't be helping the people of Iraq? Of course we should be helping the people of Iraq. If you check, even the congessional Democrats who are yelling the loudest are also saying the $87 billion should be approved. They know we don't have any choice. The worst thing we could do right now would be to abandon ship -- even signing it over to the U.N. is only gonna work if we're also willing to stick around and help out. They need our help just like we need theirs. And we have a responsibility now -- we broke it, we gotta help fix it.

Which isn't even to say we shouldn't have broken it, because what was there had to be dealt with. It's just that we did it in the clumsiest possible way. I mean, we're such fucking bulls in china shops, you know? Really, how do you liberate 25 million people from one of the worst dictatorships on earth and still manage to make most of the world think you're the bad guy? You've gotta be pretty goddamn witless to do that.

Iraq needs help and Iraq needs to rebuilt, for everybody's sake, and we are going to have to help pay for it. But a lot of us also don't trust the guys who fucked it all up so badly to take a whole bunch more of our money and try to fix it. We can't kick out the top guys until next year, but at the very least Rumsfeld needs to go. That guy's fucking cracked. Get rid of him, get someone with a better head on their shoulders in that position, and then we can talk about the money for Iraq.


no irony here

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no irony here -- jfm
Posted by scott ® , Sep 25,2003,02:15   MetroBlab

I agree with you Jesse, and I also think that we could have accomplished this without breaking(bombing) the country. We should have sent in ground troops with the inspectors, less lives would have been lost and the cost to rebuild would have been less.

I am still completely pissed off at this administration and have started a list of everyone that will never get my vote. Which starts with the white house. As far as I'm concerned anybody who supported the war will never get my vote, I have no trust in them.

The list starts like this:

George Bush
Tom Delay
Colin Powell
Cheney
Rumsfield

--modified at Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 02:16:14


Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- run n gun
Posted by Hank IV ® , Sep 24,2003,13:00   MetroBlab

When the arms inspectors went back into Iraq and didn't find any WMD's. Too bad Bushco didn't let the inspectors finish their job, they may have found some, Bushco sure hasn't.

Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- Hank IV
Posted by hard69rock ® , Sep 24,2003,21:36   MetroBlab

Considering the inspectors were led to sites that were already known to be free of wmds it is no surprise.
Since the inspectors themselves admitted that they were being fooled should also be no surprise.
They have them, we will find them. Would you like to help us look?


Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- hard69rock
Posted by Hank IV ® , Sep 24,2003,22:36   MetroBlab

Maybe you should check out the film file of Colin Powell in Febuary of 2001 stating the santions had worked and that Iraq was no longer a threat. It's all on film.And I've been over there, thank you very much. Have you?

--modified at Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 22:37:21


Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- Hank IV
Posted by hard69rock ® , Sep 24,2003,23:43   MetroBlab

Yep, been there done that, got the t-shirt. Also know that sanctions and chemical production are two VERY different things.

SSGT Scott B. Vancel
4404 CWP/335FS/SpecFlt


Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- hard69rock
Posted by Jahbulon 33 ® , Sep 26,2003,01:58   MetroBlab

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- Jahbulon 33
Posted by fluffy ® , Sep 26,2003,07:44   MetroBlab

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http://hard69rock.tripod.com/id18.htm


Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- hard69rock
Posted by jimi martin ® , Sep 25,2003,00:26   MetroBlab

well get ready to go back they're calling up the reserves and guard

Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- jimi martin
Posted by hard69rock ® , Sep 25,2003,00:37   MetroBlab

It's about fucking time.

Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War'

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Questions circulating about the 'Illegal War' -- run n gun
Posted by run n gun ® , Sep 24,2003,12:41   MetroBlab

When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?