Socialism vs Liberty
Re: Socialism vs Liberty -- Lysander Spooner
| Posted by Jhaque Schidt ® , Sep 22,2003,03:12 |
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I assume you include the "natural" right of every animal with the strength to do so to dominate and subdue any animal that doesn't have the strength to fight it?
Socialism vs Liberty
Re: Socialism vs Liberty -- Lysander Spooner
| Posted by MIchael ® , Sep 20,2003,10:45 |
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You keep referring to natural rights.There is no such thing. ~m.
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Re: Socialism vs Liberty -- MIchael
| Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 20,2003,17:14 |
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Yes there is. You do it on a daily basis. You have the right to wear your hair short or long. You have the right to drive whatever car you want or maybe a bicycle. You have the right to watch a football game or maybe sit on the porch and read. You have the right to either eat out or maybe stay in and enjoy dinner. You have the right to marry or to remain single. In none of these is a license necessary. In exercising these, you also haven't infringed on the rights of others. Examples of infringing on someone else's rights are trepassing on their property, murder and committing fraud. There are numerous rights which you have that don't have to be specifically listed. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide what rights they choose to exercise on any given occassion. It also comes to understanding the difference between natural rights, legal rights(rights outline for procedural purposes in dealing with government entities) and privileges. A privilege is defined as a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor. The Tennessee Supreme Court had this to say about privileges: Realizing and receiving income or earnings is not a privilege that can be taxed. "A privilege is whatever business, pursuit, occupation, or vocation, affecting the public, the Legislature chooses to declare and tax as such." Corn et al. v. Fort, 170 Tenn. 377, 385, 95 S.W.2d 620, 623, 106 A.L.R. 647."Privileges are special rights, belonging to the individual or class, and not to the mass; properly, an exemption from some general burden, obligation or duty; a right peculiar to some individual or body." Lonas v. State, 50 Tenn. 287, 307. Since the right to receive income or earnings is a right belonging to every person, this right cannot be taxed as privilege. Cole v. MacFarland, 337 S.W.2d 453 (Tenn. 1960) Lysander Spooner had this to say about Natural law and natural rights: If there be such a principle as justice, or natural law, it is the principle, or law, that tells us what rights were given to every human being at his birth; what rights are, therefore, inherent in him as a human being, necessarily remain with him during life; and, however capable of being trampled upon, are incapable of being blotted out, extinguished, annihilated, or separated or eliminated from his nature as a human being, or deprived of their inherent authority or obligation. On the other hand, if there be no such principle as justice, or natural law, then every human being came into the world utterly destitute of rights; and coming into the world destitute of rights, he must necessarily forever remain so. For if no one brings any rights with him into the world, clearly no one can ever have any rights of his own, or give any to another. And the consequence would be that mankind could never have any rights; and for them to talk of any such things as their rights, would be to talk of things that never had, never will have, and never can have any existence.
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Re: Socialism vs Liberty -- Lysander Spooner
| Posted by Michael ® , Sep 21,2003,08:49 |
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It also comes to understanding the difference between natural rights, legal rights(rights outline for procedural purposes in dealing with government entities) and privileges. A privilege is defined as a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor.None of the things you list are intrinsic to an individual. They're all societal concepts that only have meaning within a society that recognizes them, grants them, and/or protects them. Who's recognizing these rights? Who's granting these privileges? Without external validation, they're just your ideas. ~m.
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