confessions of an aging hipster


Posted by ilyich ® , Sep 05,2003,23:21   MetroBlab

Safe in my anonymity on the Blab, I'm here to tell my deepest, darkest, most humiliating secrets, and rip away the last shreds of hipster cred that I've clung to:

* For my money, the flat out BEST album of the 90s is Siamese Dream. Jesus, Billy Corgan is a freakin' genius.

* Every time I hear the Indigo Girls, I want to burst out weeping like a 15 year old girl. They just tear my heart apart.

* I totally don't get the appeal of Captain Beefheart. The stuff is completely unlistenable. Why would anyone subject themselves to it? Especially Trout Mask Replica. It's like pounding a nail into my skull.

* Ditto for Roky Erikson.

* Alanis Morrisette is way cool. Jagged Little Pill is pure gold, I tell ya. And she's a hottie, to boot.

* Speaking of pounding nails into my skull, hip hop just bugs the shit out me, and it always has. I like maybe two or three Public Enemy songs, and that old BDP one with the piano. The only hip hop I really dig is the Beastie Boys. Man, are they cool.

* Bluegrass is so freakin' boring. Like hip hop, it all sounds exactly the same. The banjo is just an evil, evil instrument. Fie upon you Earl.

There. I feel cleansed now.

Really, I hardly have any desire to listen to music at all anymore (except for classical stuff in the background while I program). Other than a few songs I've stolen with Kazaa, I haven't gotten any new music in the last two or three years.

My 3 year old son, on the other hand...every time he gets in the car, he says "Daddy, I want to listen to music! LOUD MUSIC!!! LOUD!!!" I think if I put in Raffi, or that Jerry and David Grisman kids album, or some other such wussy stuff, he'd smack me over the head with his plastic bat. His top five songs for the week:

Drive By Truckers -- "Ronnie and Neil"
X -- "We're Desperate"
Ramones -- "Blitzkreig Bop"
Highwoods String Band -- "Dance all Night"
Sparklehorse -- "Sick of Goodbyes"

And today, he fell asleep listening to the Meat Puppets. As soon as I noticed he was out, off went the music, and on went "The DC Politics Hour."


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Posted by fluffy ® , Sep 06,2003,13:40   MetroBlab

as the saying goes, to each their own. music is the only thing that keeps me from going on a killing spree. no really.

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Posted by Sony of America ® , Sep 06,2003,11:58   MetroBlab

I'm still going with Labradford's Mi Media Naranja as best album of the 90s.

Bluegrass is sometimes boring, but Blackgrass sure ain't.


Blackgrass

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Posted by Rikki ® , Sep 08,2003,15:20   MetroBlab

Bluegrass is sometimes boring, but Blackgrass sure ain't.

Come see Blackgrass on Friday at Thinq Tank, along with Leslie Woods and some band full of old farts at play. It's Hellraiser 2k3, the inaugural fundraiser for Hellbender Press.

Reception, auction, entertainment from 6-9pm, rock'n'roll for the rest of the night. $5 after 8pm, tax-deductible donations accepted.


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Posted by spinetingler ® , Sep 06,2003,09:59   MetroBlab

>My 3 year old son, ...Ramones -- "Blitzkreig Bop"

My four-year-old daughter loves the Ramones (and that song in particular). It was used in the kids film Jimmy Neutron.

Send your son over and we'll let them have a mosh pit.


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Posted by skirob ® , Sep 06,2003,11:43   MetroBlab

My 14 month old also loves the Ramones. She has always loved Marley and the Ramones. Whenever that commercial with Bitzkreig Bop comes on tv she gets fixated on it, starts grinning and runs to the screen. We now listen to a lot of Ramones in the car. Of course, she's also amazed by the Jeopardy theme song. Hmmmm.

all we are saying....

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Posted by zilla ® , Sep 06,2003,09:54   MetroBlab

is give Clear Spot a Chance

hit that long, lunar note and let it float

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Posted by Rikki ® , Sep 08,2003,15:38   MetroBlab

Trout Mask Replica is certainly more difficult than other Beefheart albums. Once I put it on and lay down for a nap, but I drifted into a semi-wakeful state where my attention was fully dedicated to the music, and it was absolutely enthralling. I couldn't listen to ordinary music for well over a week. Even my favorite songs sounded dull and plain.

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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 06,2003,02:47   MetroBlab

If you realy want to understand what there is to like about Beefheart listen to Tom Waits, the late weird Tom Waits. You could start with swordfish trombones, then listen to Beefheart, Tom cleans it all up for us, but to me it's the same thing, playing with images and sounds in ways that challenge your ideas of what music is.

Then if your realy ready for a challenge listen to some Diamanda Galas... Now that is some hard listening that I love

and as for the evil banjo, I think most christians would agree lol

By the way Danny Barnes(Bad Livers) realy likes Beefheart lol

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Posted by ilyich ® , Sep 08,2003,22:12   MetroBlab

Hmph. I like a lot of the "new" weird Tom Waits (my son loves to rock out to Sixteen Shells From a 30.06, too). And, I saw Diamanda Galas in Richmond a couple of years ago, and was absolutely floored. But I dunno, Captain Beefheart is just a total mystery to me. I totally just don't get it.

I suspect that a certain type of "difficult" music loses a lot when taken out of the context of the perfomance and is put down on viny^H^H^H^Hplastic. One of the best shows I saw in Richmond was a woman who took samples of her violin and ambient sounds, and did live mixing/manipulation improvisations. I sat on the floor for about 6 hours just enthralled, but listening to the CD I bought -- it's just about as interesting as listening to white noise.


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Posted by Dr. Autonomo ® , Sep 12,2003,02:56   MetroBlab

to my chagrin i have not had the opportunity to see diamanda galas live. when she does tour or perform it's usually in europe. her latest double album, �Defixiones, Will and Testament� and �La Serpenta Canta� will be released in the UK and Europe on November 25, 2003. her latest tour schedule includes several european locations with only california and new york for north america. similar problem with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds with the "Nocturama" tour earlier this year, with the exclusion of one chicago show. she is playing mexico city in novemeber. i should create a charity movement devoted to monetary contributions for a plane ticket to aid in Dr. Autonomo's first Diamanda Galas performance experience.

any takers?

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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 08,2003,22:53   MetroBlab

I hear mr Beefheart all the time in Mr Waits, I think that he's a genius at making music accesible... I suspect that he learned that lesson from listening to Louis Armstrong.

I saw Diamanda in New York, lucked out and got in for free, man what a great night. I love Diamanda...

I completely agree with you about perfomance verses recording, Tom Waits talks about this in his interviews he says your sorta like a doctor in the studio and the song is the patient your just trying to keep it alive lol.

I also love a lot of hard metal and punk music live that I would never listen to in my house, the physical thump and pluck of the intstruments is much more immediate in person as well as overtones that don't always record that well.

I also don't care much for the studio recordings of Bill Monroe but love the live recordings of him. I've read the labels actualy tried to get him to tone down and be less raw which would end up in a deader sound than the live recordings, also Bluegrass being an improvisational artform can be difficult to record.



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Posted by Dr. Autonomo ® , Sep 06,2003,13:31   MetroBlab

i second diamandas galas.

you buy me a beer and i'll let you adopt one of my cats.

no banjos.


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Posted by jfm ® , Sep 06,2003,03:00   MetroBlab

OK, here's the thing: music is just languages. Blues, bluegrass, hip-hop, opera, rock'n'roll, smooth jazz, salsa, funk, merengue, Norwegian fiddle music, Afropop, Japanese fiddle music, bebop, Irish fiddle music, ragas, Gypsy fiddle music, calls to prayer, death metal, reggae, dub, deep house, techno, trance, chamber quartets, skatepunk, indie sadsack rock, ambient, drone, modal, orchestral, 2-step, 8-bar, whatever. It's all just languages.

I understand when someone says, "I don't speak Hungarian." Right, I don't either. But if someone said, "I hate Hungarian," I wouldn't understand. What's to hate? Just because you don't speak it?

The thing with music is that it's different languages that everyone can speak.


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Posted by ilyich ® , Sep 08,2003,22:38   MetroBlab

Hey, I never said I "hate" hip hop, or bluegrass, or anything. I just don't find them terribly appealing.

Part of the reason for that, I think, is that they are just so limited as musical forms. As the joke goes: How many banjo players does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 10 - one to screw it in, and 9 to argue about how Earl would have done it. At least in the purer forms, everything there is to say has been said a million times before. Legitimate geniuses like Bill Monroe or Ralph Stanley or John Duffey (sometimes) somehow manage(d) to transcend the limitations, but otherwise, it all sort of blurs togther for me into a big, wet mass of G-runs and caterwauling tenors.


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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 08,2003,23:17   MetroBlab

Your showing the limits of your understanding of Bluegrass and why that you don't like it, as it limits as I see them are only perceived.

First off Bill Monroe and Earl Scruggs didn't transcend Bluegrass they invented it. Bill Monroe combined the Ancient Irish Mixolodian fiddle melodies with the blues pentatonic scale, and added the improvisational style of Jazz music. Speeding everything up to match the industrial movement of the time trains, steel, cars, etc. This music didn't exist before Bill Monroe. He took an italin instrument, an african instrument, and the irish fiddle to make a completely new form of music, that we call Bluegrass.

Sure there are a lot of mediocre musicians that claim they play bluegrass but that's true of every art form. There are as many great singers/musicians if not more that come out Bluegrass as others.

The Mccoury family
Ricky Scaggs
Allison Kraus
Ralph Stanley
The Carter Family
Bill Keith
Tony Rice
Doc Watson
Peter Rowan(is that his first name)Walls of Time
etc...

I don't know about anyone else, but these ancient melodies move me to tears, and help me to deal with the pain of living, always dying...

I think it's unfair to state that an entire genre is not valid because of mediocre people that subscribe to it. When the genius of the originators is apparant. I agree that there is plenty of room left for inovation and keep your ears open in the next 5 years and you'll hear it because there's a storm a coming lol


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Posted by ilyich ® , Sep 09,2003,12:11   MetroBlab

Your showing the limits of your understanding of Bluegrass

Nah, I don't think it's lack of understanding of the form that explains my apathy. I used to listen to lots and lots of bluegrass (and various spin-off genres)for about 15 years, went to bunches of shows & festivals, played a fair amount of banjo/guitar/mando. My tastes tended towards more fusion-y type stuff like Tony Trischka and David Grisman, and more traditional old-timey playing. I never was super hardcore into the "classic" 50s-60s style, but I still liked that stuff a lot

But it's weird...over maybe about a year or so, I just went from finding lots of pleasure in the music, to finding it annoying and grating. I can intellectually appreciate the adventurousness of guys like Don Reno, or Sonny Osborne, or Bill Keith, etc. but the music doesn't speak to me at all.

It's like a big groups of painters who only paint still lifes of fruit, and only use blue paint. Sure, there's a lot of interesting things that can be done, and genius always will shine through, but after a while, one blue fruit painting starts looking like every other blue painting.

But maybe it's just me -- maybe I have some kind of chemical imbalance or something, or I had a mini-stroke. Like I said, I don't really find much interest in *any* music anymore -- about the only time I get excited by it is when I'm dancing.


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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 09,2003,14:58   MetroBlab

cool I understand, I actualy had the reverse sorta happen, I used to not think about bluegrass at all, it didn't even register as something I would be interested in.

Then I went to see Allison Kraus at the Bijou theatre, and Del Mccoury opened up I was just floored by the mandolin, and ever now and then I would think about how good that deeper shade of blue sounded, all the while I'm listening to Sonic Youth, Guided by Voices, Django Reindhardt. I finaly bought the cd like 6 years later and have been wearing out a Deeper shade of blue ever since. I just love Del's voice on that CD, and the song choices they pick.

I had a banjo the entire time and would pull it out to jam at parties and entertain myself and annoy others.

Well in the last few years I decided to make a go at realy learning to play it well, and I'm finding it to be a challenging endeavor. I do think it has something to do with the chemistry of memories, as I can get emotional just playing the melodies to certain old songs. Wayfaring Stranger was my great grandmother's favorite song and I'm proud that I can play it. Granted I wouldn't include it in a set as it's a bit overdone. But I play it around the house all the time, and just let those memories fill my soul.

Ya know I haven't even got to Reno or Grisman yet, I appreciate Tony and Bela but I realy dig having a song in the mix I like to hear solid lyrics.

Just curious which tour did ya see with Diamanda, mine was malediction and prayers just her and the piano and what do ya think about Danny Barnes the bad livers boy do you like him?

http://www.dannybarnes.com/

I understand though we all have different taste. Everbody loves Radiohead and I can appreciate there greatness but I don't care to listen to them much, I like a little more gravel in the gut, like Jeff Buckley or Sonic Youth.

Hey and here's one for ya I can't stand the Beatles, I get beat up for that all the time lol

Sounds like your interest are moving to other things family etc...

Hey ya ever thought about playing music with your kid?


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Posted by fluffy ® , Sep 09,2003,09:03   MetroBlab

same could be said for hip-hop. just as their are many different kinds of dialects, colloquialisms, languages and vocal ranges, their are as many different kinds of hip hop. hell just compare Grandmaster Flash to Digable Planets to NWA to Dalek and you can see that their is a huge range of variances. and with the music software that is out there now the possibilities for beats and samples are endless, as well as what you do with them. to categorize them so hastily based on what you probably see on MTV is not being fair to the genre.

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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 09,2003,10:33   MetroBlab

Yeah it's also incredibly young for an artform is hip hop even out of the teens yet.

Speaking of which the Roots are coming to town soon and that bass player kicks booty.

The Roots
Boston, MA
Venue: Tweeter Center, Sprite Tour
Sun Sep 14

Hope I got my house in order so I can go...


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Posted by Scott ® , Sep 06,2003,03:13   MetroBlab

Very true, music is a language were the content ranges from poetic to base emotional appeal.

The content in my opinion is what makes it interesting, the form or language, I find to be only relevant as a reference to time and geography, and become symbolic. The time reference however cannot be denied as a major seventh chord could start a riot in the 1800s now we think of it as common place. the ability enjoy certain sounds change as we listen to them. A chord that we used to think of as a painfull sound becomes rich with harmonic overtones and symbolic, poetic meaning.

However if the content is no good, no amount of skill can help, and only the very base listener will enjoy it.

Of course the judgement over what is good content is subjective, so were all left to decide what we like in the end anyways lol.


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Posted by jfm ® , Sep 06,2003,03:53   MetroBlab

The content in my opinion is what makes it interesting, the form or language, I find to be only relevant as a reference to time and geography

I agree. But then how do you differentiate between Beethoven's 9th and "Iko Iko"? I guess maybe you don't. I mean, they both seem profound to me.


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Posted by Downtown Brown ® , Sep 06,2003,10:53   MetroBlab

But then how do you differentiate between Beethoven's 9th and "Iko Iko"? I guess maybe you don't. I mean, they both seem profound to me.

Amen.


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Posted by JT ® , Sep 06,2003,13:28   MetroBlab

The differentiation is only an issue if you want to talk about one piece in terms of the other. Schickele Mix was very good at doing this. The professor's blend of musical intellect and humor connected music by "content" rather than by "style". I miss that show.