Separation of church and state?


Posted by GSMOT(tm) ® , Sep 05,2003,13:09   MetroBlab

And I thought we were *fighting* religious fanaticism, chastened by 9/11. Oh yeah, *non-white, non-Christian* fanaticism! Ashcroft (Bushie's boy) will make sure true evangelical Christian fanaticism prevails!

Mormon Church OKs Firing Squad Change
SALT LAKE CITY - Hoping to clear the way for eliminating the firing squad as a means of execution, a Utah commission asked for and received a statement from the Mormon church saying it does not oppose the change.

In a one-sentence statement provided Wednesday to the Utah Sentencing Commission, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said it "has no objection to the elimination of the firing squad in Utah."

The clarification was needed, according to one commission member, because of a purported church doctrine that held that justice was not done unless a murderer's blood was shed.

The Mormon statement removes a significant obstacle in Utah's effort to do away with firing-squad executions.

Commission member Paul Boyden said recent letters to the editor to newspapers indicate some in Mormon-dominated Utah still believe the firing squad is necessary for religious reasons. Commission members feared that belief could hurt the chances of the proposed change in the Legislature.

"If we hadn't (asked for the church's position), this probably would have been a question among some legislators and it may have not made it out of committee," Boyden said.

The commission is studying the issue and plans to formally recommend eliminating the firing squad, leaving injection as Utah's only method of execution. Commission members want to make the change quickly to stop the "media circus" that surrounds firing squad executions, Boyden said.

Utah is the only state that uses the firing squad method, although Idaho and Oklahoma retain it as an option if other methods are not viable.

Utah's last execution by firing squad took place in 1996. Two death row inmates who had chosen that method had been scheduled to die in June, but those executions were delayed.




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Separation of church and state?

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Separation of church and state? -- GSMOT(tm)
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 05,2003,18:20   MetroBlab

So you are saying that when Mormons don't object to eliminating the firing squad, that somehow that violates the separation of church and state? I suppose that when the Reverand Martin Luther King was organizing and leading protests against the establishment, that violated the separation of church and state too.

BTW, there was a good reason for the removal of the Ten Commandments monument. You can't post Thou Shalt Not Steal in a building full of lawyers without creating a hostile work environment.

Something to think about: Marriage has been happening for centuries without government influence. Although a marriage license is often the cheapest and easiest way to handle legal arrangements for inheritance, child support, etc., there are many other legal documents these days to take care of such things (and in many ways, especially for inheritance, they�re better than a marriage license). I don�t want the state in my spiritual life. For that matter, no self-respecting libertarian ought to marry in Tennessee, due to the $60 fee added if you don�t have counseling (usually provided by Christian pastors). They�re filling the coffers and supporting religion all at the same time!

All I have to say to anyone who thinks I need government permission to live is this: PULL MY FINGER


Separation of church and state?

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Separation of church and state? -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by GSMOT(tm) ® , Sep 08,2003,11:19   MetroBlab

There's a big fuckin' difference between a government (Utah) asking a religion (LDS) whether it's OK to change a method of capital punishment, as opposed to King and a bunch of others - not just religious leaders, but workers' organizations, student groups, educators - protesting against institutionalized racism (Jim Crow laws in various southern states and municipalities). The Utah case is akin to the Saudi government seeking approval from the mullahs on whether it's OK under Islamic law to change the method of capital punishment from decapitation to hanging, for example

Separation of church and state?

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Separation of church and state? -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by Michael ® , Sep 06,2003,10:39   MetroBlab

Although a marriage license is often the cheapest and easiest way to handle legal arrangements for inheritance, child support, etc., there are many other legal documents these days to take care of such things...

So you are suggesting that instead of a marriage license that people should instead opt for several other legal documents to cover the many potential eventualities? In either case, it is the state who will be called upon to handle the litigation.
~m.


Separation of church and state?

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Separation of church and state? -- Michael
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Sep 06,2003,18:20   MetroBlab

Nope not at all. Private arbitration agencies are the idea. People need to learn to settle disputes without the use of lawyers sometimes.

Separation of church and state?

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Separation of church and state? -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by Michael ® , Sep 06,2003,18:23   MetroBlab

People need to learn to settle disputes without the use of lawyers sometimes.

I take it you've never been divorced.
~m.