But the reasons, while interesting, should not overshadow the reality of what this guy did. Fact is, he tried to murder three people, and he wounded one and killed two. Being a doctor in the abortion business is a legal enterprise in America. It is a tax paying vocation. I make no bones about the fact that I am PRO LIFE, and while I don't wish to make it illegal, I do wish to prevent AS MANY abortions as we possibly can-- because ANY abortion that is prevented just about always results in a life brought into this world. Some small baby gets a chance.

So even though abortion is a tragedy, what Paul Hill did only compounds the issue. He's basically a terrorist. If you don't like something that is going on in your country, then work within the law to END IT. That's what pro lifers are doing. Paul Hill did not have the support of ANY pro life group. He was not a member of one. He's a stone cold KILLER. He's a double murderer. If he'd have killed the third person, then he'd have met Steven Fox's definition of a mass murderer (3 or more dead in one event) and there IS NO DOUBT that he deserves to DIE for doing that.

I certainly think he has earned that needle, and I fully support his execution. It's a waste of money to keep supporting him in any form of incarceration. He's fully beyond rehabilitation, but what is more his ACTIONS have proven that he does not DESERVE the chance to be rehabilitated. He has violated the laws of the state of Florida, and was duly convicted of a death penalty offense by 12 jurors IN the state of Florida. ALL of them SAW and HEARD the evidence against him, and all of them agreed that he deserves to die for what he did.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

If you live by the sword? Then DIE by the sword. He CHOSE to commit heinous and savage murder, on MORE than just one person. No one aimed that rifle for him. No one forced him to do anything. He CHOSE to kill two people. Paul Hill has, in effect, committed suicide. It was his responsibility to know and understand the laws of the state of Florida. He chose to violate the most sacred of laws.

He killed himself. For all who take up the sword shall perish with it.

It's actually very EASY for me to be in BOTH the pro life movement, AND the victims rights movement, even thought the victims rights movement clearly beleives in capital punishment. That's because I UNDERSTAND both of the issues, having studied them....but also because I just really think that it is the WAY....TO GO....

for our society.

There are good and bad causes. There are good and bad people who are attracted to various causes. Tim McVeigh went to 2 different meetings of a Michigan milita unit. He never joined a unit, and they certainly would NEVER HAVE sponsored his murderous ways. Tim took 168 people off of this planet. Tim McVeigh maimed for life another five hundred people. He didn't know ANY of them. Tim killed people he didn't even freakin' KNOW.

So there are... what the FBI calls 'lone wolves'...among us. These folks will take it on their own to do damage, for whatever reasons they choose. Tim didn't like the Waco siege; he was upset over Ruby Ridge. But he had no right to murder because of that.

Paul Hill was NOT pro life. Not at all. And he was duly executed tonight because of it; he took two people off the planet, and maimed a third person. He was correctly prosecuted, correctly judged and convicted, and his execution is NOT a 'murder by the state' of Florida; it is the COLLECTIVE WILL of the PEOPLE of Florida to have the capital punishment laws in the first place, and this execution is a representation of that POWER... that they had... to decide for themselves... what punishment fits the crime. There was nothing immoral about his execution, nothing wrong with it whatsoever-- it was the punishment as ordained BY LAW in a democracy, which is government By the people.

There is no tragedy in the execution of Paul Hill.

He earned every bit of his punishment. He was perfectly sane, and not retarded, and he was over 18, and he committed his crime in a state which has capital punishment. He had a responsibility, as a citizen of that state, to UNDERSTAND....and OBEY.... all the laws of that state. He CHOSE....with his own sane mind... to commit capital murder.

Paul Hill killed HIMSELF. He has no one to blame but himself. As he was forced to stare down that needle in his arm, he finally PAID for his double homicide. His punishment was not in the years he spent in his 6 by 9 foot cell, eating bologna sandwiches and drinking Kool-Aid; his punishment was watching that clock run down on WHAT WAS his life. His punishment was seeing the guards come to get him. His punishment was being strapped down on that gurney, and facing the reality that society felt he DESERVED TO DIE for what he did. He was NOT a martyr; he was NOT a hero; he was a stone cold killer, who premeditated his acts upon law abiding civilians. He was a terrorist.

Abortion is LEGAL in America. Don't like it? Then work within the laws to CHANGE IT. That is what pro lifers are doing.

There was nothing about Paul Hill worth remembering. Hopefully, they'll cremate the bastard so he will not defile a good cemetery of decent christian folks.

YES. It is perfectly legal, and perfectly moral to execute a stone cold killer. There is nothing about it that is comparable to murder. When you place someone behind bars for serial rapes, are you kidnapping them? When you fine a speeder for driving like a madman down I-40, are you robbing him of his money?

There is nothing wrong with the PEOPLE of a democracy, which in our case is a representative democracy, determining what KIND of justice system they will have. What the majority of the people decide to implement in terms of justice is not only morally justifiable, it is perfectly COMPATIBLE, and perfectly legal.

There is no comparison to be made. Paul Hill murdered two people. He had a responsibility and a duty to the state of Florida and the nation of America to know and understand and OBEY the laws of his society; he CHOSE of his own volition to violate the most highly punishable laws OF that society;

he has therefore committed suicide. He had no one to blame but himself for the predicament he put himself into, and he was certainly not 'murdered' at all....

and I make my points in however many words I CHOOSE to make them, Jimi Martin.

And you do not have to read them.

Holy shit! JJJ just made sense!

I don't know if I should be scared or relieved.

At the risk of defaming my good name (ha ha) forever, let me further agree with what ole 3J said with my own justification for killing people who kill others. It's the good old Golden Rule: Treat others as you would have them treat you. By murdering someone in cold blood, the killer is saying "It's OK to kill me, too."

The world is already full of evil, selfish bastards who don't even commit "crimes"; I see no point in keeping people on Death Row for decades, using up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax money per prisoner and further inflating the atrocious prison business.

So, by executing a murderer, you're saying that you want him to kill you?

No. By executing a murderer, I'm saying "If I ever do something as bad as you did, they can kill me too."

I would like society to kill me if I were the kind of person who would murder in cold blood.

Except the only person who then has the right to kill the murderer has already been killed by the murderer.

The GR doesn't say do as to other #1 as you would have other #2 do to you.

>Thus it may be implied that murderers consider it morally acceptable to kill.

Tim McVeigh was NOT innocent. He had been GIVEN a chance at life. He WAS born; he DID get that first kiss; he DID see the beach on a nice day; he DID see the moon in June. And he made choices in his life of his own determination. He was neither insane nor retarded. He was a grown man when he CHOSE to kill one hundred sixty eight people, and maim for life another 500 others. Society does not 'owe' him some ridiculous level of comfort and sponsorship-- a life of free medical, dental, and vision care; society doesn't owe him free and unending legal help, in order to help him find a way OUT of the punishment he deserved. He fully deserved to face the harshest punishment that any criminal justice system could give him, as long as that punishment in a democracy is sponsored by a majority of the people, and it IS. Due to his choices, there is no tragedy in his death. He killed himself.

Regarding war, what will YOU fight for? Would you fight in a war if your country was invaded? Would you fight a war to prevent your sisters from being raped? To prevent your wife from being killed? In a representative democracy, you are turning over the responsibility to go to war to a collective decision of the people you voted for. It's your duty as a citizen to cherish and honour your country. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic duty is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he values more than his own personal safety... is a miserable creature, who has no chance of being free....unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."