Walter Shurden


Posted by fakt czecker ® , Aug 30,2003,18:50   MetroBlab

I finally got the link to work and that person is clearly not the professor who taught my class. While I maintain that "Lysander Spooner" is being dishonest and inflammatory, we are not talking about the same individual and as such, I apologize for my mistake. I will attempt to find information concerning the Dr. Shurden that I had for class for anyone interested, but as of now, Carson-Newman's website, www. cn.edu , is being rebuilt and the Religion Department information is currently not available. I am big enough to admit my mistakes and would encourage "Lysnader Spooner" to do the same without resorting to his well-worn tactics of distraction and reversal.

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Walter Shurden or would Walter B. Shurden work for you?

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Walter Shurden -- fakt czecker
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Aug 30,2003,19:22   MetroBlab

Walter B. Shurden

and Walter B. Shurden yet again



Walter B. Shurden speech to Baptist Joint Committee

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Walter Shurden or would Walter B. Shurden work for you? -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Aug 30,2003,19:44   MetroBlab

Religiousfreedom, said the early Baptists, is rooted in the nature of God. A Sovereign God who dared to create people as free beings is portrayed in the Bible as a liberating Deity. Throughout the Old Testament, God is set against persons and institutions that restricted the freedom of God�s people. And the complete thrust of Jesus� ministry was to free people from all that would hold them back from obedience to God. Freedom for Baptists was far more than a constitutional right or a governmental gift. God, not nations or courts or human law, is the ultimate source of liberty.



I think you are an idiot!!!!!! n/t

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Walter B. Shurden speech to Baptist Joint Committee -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by Thyre fairhair ® , Aug 30,2003,22:16   MetroBlab



Let me guess

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I think you are an idiot!!!!!! n/t -- Thyre fairhair
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Aug 30,2003,22:30   MetroBlab

You prefer to live in the Middle Ages? Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

lysander spooner that is n/t

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I think you are an idiot!!!!!! n/t -- Thyre fairhair
Posted by Thyre fairhair ® , Aug 30,2003,22:18   MetroBlab



Was Thomas Jefferson wrong?

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lysander spooner that is n/t -- Thyre fairhair
Posted by Lysander Spooner ® , Aug 30,2003,22:39   MetroBlab

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."

I don't know. You tell me.

These sentiments do not run contrary to the American spirit or to the Word of God. The Bible is replete with examples of righteous civil disobedience.

Daniel refused a state order to stop praying to God. The three Hebrew children refused to obey civil authority when commanded to bow to the image of the state. Practically every Old Testament prophet mentioned in Scripture violated copious civil laws in deference to God's commands.

Virtually every apostle of the New Testament likewise disobeyed the evil laws of their governments. It was Simon Peter who boldly declared, "We ought to obey God rather than men." The Apostle Paul was imprisoned and eventually decapitated, being called a "lawbreaker" by government officials.

In sacred and secular history, disobedience to evil laws is considered both obligatory and holy!

Furthermore, the argument that men must submit to evil laws merely because a political or public official orders it done is contrary to modern history. The Nuremberg trials following World War II prove that.

The argument for the defense of every accused Nazi soldier for crimes committed during Hitler's regime centered on the obligation of a soldier to obey orders. Such men could not be held personally accountable for their crimes, it was argued, because they were merely "following orders." That argument was dismissed then as it should be dismissed now!

It was clearly demonstrated during the Nuremberg trials that men were obliged to obey a higher authority than that of their superiors, that men were morally responsible to behave according to the overruling moral principles of natural law, and that to blindly follow evil orders from any political or military official did not exonerate one's personal responsibility and accountability for their conduct.



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Was Thomas Jefferson wrong? -- Lysander Spooner
Posted by spinetingler ® , Aug 31,2003,01:41   MetroBlab

>It was Simon Peter who boldly declared, "We ought to obey God rather than men."

And we saw what happened to him!